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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Because the text tells us they "have lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." They were faithful to the end. Being faithful unto God during their lifetime is the reason they were martyred. How will they have lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years unless a thousand years...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Every human who died and was resurrected before the resurrection of Christ, were resurrected in mortal/corruptible body they died again in, and therefore all of them are long dead. The bodily resurrection from the graves that is coming will be everlasting immortal life for all who have done...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Apparently, you did not have a very good teacher! Explain how the millennium can be a literal time that is coming since those John sees in Rev 20 had lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years before being martyred for their faith. John makes no mention of them being made to live again no...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Natural or unsaved man does not know because they cannot know the deep things of God. These things can only be known through the Spirit of God in us, who gives us knowledge and teaches us all things pertaining to God. We have His Spirit when we have been born again. The plainest passage in...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    We know the thousand years began with the advent of Christ coming to earth a man because He came in/with the Kingdom of God. Prior to His coming no man had access to the Kingdom of God in heaven, none could continue to be living souls after physical death. When Christ came, He tells us the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Yes, but I don't call the hour that was coming and now is resurrection. Neither does Christ. Christ likens this to being born again. Since the hour coming came with Christ. Now, because of that hour man may hear the gospel and all who hear and believe on Him have everlasting life. This is...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Exactly where is Dan 9 prove a seven year tribulation? I assume you find it somewhere in this passage? But I find nothing here to prove a seven-year tribulation. Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Exactly! Which is why I am Amil. Yes, at the time of the resurrection of Christ, who is the "first resurrection" even the saints living and dying before the cross and resurrection of Christ must have part in. Dan 7:22 depicts the timing for when these Old Covenant faithful saints...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Again, you fail to prove this seven-years tribulation from the Bible! I'm not interested in hearing what you think or what you believe from each chapter of the Bible. I will not believe what you believe to be truth if you cannot prove your beliefs come FROM the Bible. It seems you've read...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Dan 7:22 I believe shows us the beginning of the symbolic thousand years, because that is when the door to the Kingdom of God in heaven was open for all those who died in faith waiting for the Messiah/Christ to come and make atonement for sin and defeat death. Rev 20 depicts all those who came...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Resurrection in every instance is physical/bodily returning to life after physical death. That's why I often make a point of saying man is not resurrected to life again when we have been saved. When our spirit that once was dead in trespasses and sins is awakened it need not be physically...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Great tribulation like nothing ever before and never shall again be has come and shall continue until Christ has built (completed) His church even as the gates of hell continue to stop it! Can you name a single entity or enterprise unto this earth that has withstood the persecution and great...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I believe Dan 7:22 pertains to the Old Covenant faithful saints Christ rescued from the graves after His resurrection. Yes, I believe they are the martyred souls who have reigned with Christ for a thousand symbolic years (there would be others). They have part in the first resurrection through...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I agree, a/the thousand years does symbolically represent "time"! Time that began as Dan 12 shows when Michael would stand up for the children of thy (Daniel's) people. Which points to the cross and resurrection of Christ. It was at the beginning when Christ walked the earth a man that this...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I don't post in these forums to move anyone! It is my desire and hope that the Scriptures I use to present my arguments would help some to come to a fuller understanding of biblical doctrine. If one does not gain better understanding when presented with Scripture, there are various reasons for...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The passage telling us of the hour coming that now is, speaks of the time when man hears the Word of God (gospel) and through the power of the Holy Spirit all of them who believe on Christ HAVE everlasting life, and shall not be condemned, but is passed from death unto life. The hour is not the...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Fact is, nowhere in Scripture can we find this seven-year tribulation you continue to promote. It defies logic to ask one to prove something from the Bible that is nowhere to be found in the Bible. What I believe the Bible teaches is that the church, representing the Kingdom of God on earth...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    There is nothing found there to prove this seven-year tribulation! Where does the Bible show us there will be a seven-year tribulation? I hear many folks allude to this, but none can prove what they allege FROM the Word of God!
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Daniel's prophesy was to be fulfilled at the time when Michael, the great Prince would stand up for the children of Daniel's people. Although there will be a bodily resurrection for all who are in the graves at the end of this time, which is the end of this age, the resurrection is NOT what...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    What seven-year tribulation? Can you show from the Bible the seven-year tribulation you say shall be?