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Now hold on a minute, on the one hand SI says there is a clear difference from before the cross as compared to after the cross concerning the morally corrupt, unbelieving, without hope Gentles. And WPM is saying there was no difference, that morally corrupt, unbelieving, natural world order...

Alright, what your response is telling me is that all your points about no historical proof of a 70AD coming just fell apart because you yourself don’t need historical proof for your own beliefs.

It seems you rely heavily on ancient historical proof. In Matthew 2:16 we have the account of Herod killing all the children two years old and under. Since there is no ancient historical proof outside of the Bible that this happened, would you say anyone who believes this literally happened is...

Sure, so when a preterist puts forth all the corroborating scriptures that Christ was to soon come, why would you reject a 70AD coming? Wouldn’t a 70AD coming qualify as the Bible speaking for itself, letting scriptures corroborate, and the context then determining how we should understand it?

Thanks for the clarification.

Ok, I’m not pushing the preterist view on you here but I thought it was interesting that AI interpreted Matthew 24:34 in such a way that almost nobody would completely agree with.

I’m not going to provide answers to your list. But let me ask you this, should we look at the context of a word first in order to determine its definition or should we look at all the definitions of a word first and allow those definitions to help define the context?

I don’t know if you noticed this but saying the morally corrupt, unbelieving world-order (that was prior to the cross) continues until all eschatological prophecy is fulfilled, actually would agree best with the preterist view. Amill would say Satan was bound after the cross so the world-order...

The ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars are given in Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: In the new heaven new earth the Genesis 1:14 ordinances...

Let me get your thoughts on this, I see a repeating pattern in Revelation 12, would Michael taking a stand in Daniel 12:1 aline with Revelation 12:17? Here is a summary of the Revelation 12 pattern. Vs 4 Stars of heaven cast to earth Vs 4 devour her child Vs 6 woman fled into wilderness Vs...

The resurrection in Daniel 12:1-2 does seem to line up with the mello resurrection in Acts 24:15 which puts it in 70AD, and I’m not trying to argue against that. However in Daniel 12:1 it says at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people...

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one...

Well I can say the bride of Christ is a different metaphor and is not related with Christ marrying new Jerusalem. There, I just made a statement like you did. Now any argument against my position I can say I have corrected you.

I think the parables of the ten virgins is about the time period between the cross and 70AD, just like the Matthew 24 coming of the Son of man is about His 70AD coming. In that time period the new covenant was in force and the old covenant hadn’t vanished yet. Under the new covenant, a person...

You wouldn’t have to be married to become the body of Christ but you would have to be “joined”. 1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

And the Bible clearly teaches that we are currently the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. So how can we be the body of Christ when the marriage hasn’t consummated yet?

Sure, and there are people on this thread that mix and conflate metaphors to make the church the bride.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. If the church is the bride of Christ and we are currently the body of Christ, how can the...

Proverbs 25:6 Put not forth thyself in the presence of the king, and stand not in the place of great men: 7 For better it is that it be said unto thee, Come up hither; than that thou shouldest be put lower in the presence of the prince whom thine eyes have seen. Yea, I’m ready. I’m not going...

The wise virgins represent the new covenant and the foolish virgins represent the old convent. Here’s an important point that I haven’t brought up yet, the old covenant is a bilateral agreement. God has requirements He has to perform and man has requirements they have to perform in that...