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Yes, I agree. But I'm just talking on a personal individual level for the moment. And this whole topic of holiness is on a personal level. Christ IN us is the hope of glory....THAT (He in us) is the foundation from where we may attain to glory. And this is also why it says if we have this...

Well...whether it is Christ in me or you or them.............it is still why He IN anyone is the hope of glory. This is nothing less than the mystery of God that was hid from the foundation of the world in ages past. It is the gospel, the core and foundation of it. Do you agree/disagree?

Of course, but we are just talking about personal growth right now and Christ in us personally. Do you agree with my post? Is that how you see the foundation?

That doesn't nullify the other meaning........and it is borne out in life. The Lord ministers what He knows each soul needs at any given time.

I hope you agree that Christ, He Himself, is the foundation of our faith...? "Christ IN me, the hope of glory"....? This is the only core thing that distinguishes the true faith from Christian "religion", and all other religions and belief systems of the world for that matter. HE Himself...

Yes, but what is it's core, it's foundation?

Well, the bibe says "some save by fear, others with compassion". And it says "the kindness of the Lord leads to repentance". I think only the Lord knows what each soul needs at any given time. And when anyone comes to faith in Christ our soul is flooded with love, at least that was my...

Impossible for us, but with God all things are possible.

I think he's not wrong at least in principle, on things to do with holiness, but dear oh dear, he sure is ripping out the foundation, which stands on faith not sight. Psa 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Indeed. You first....?

Are you saying that the earnest of the Spirit doesn't save anyone?.....because according to the bible that is what saves us....it has a purpose in securing eternal life, the redemption of the body. And it is not of our own.....that no man may boast. In other words, it glorifies God and not...

It's much more than just a "sample" unless anyone is trying to rewrite the bible. It is the down payment that secures eternal life - the redemption of the body. It is the betrothal of the bride....the wedding contract, promise, pledge, and bride price that is paid for her against the marriage...

Sure, but according to you we haven't been given anything.

Good thing it's not my position then.

Yes. As I've had to remind people many times over the last four years of discussing on Epi's threads. I think of it as complete consecration/surrender. Do you believe that Jesus has fulfilled the Law on our behalf for when or how we fall short while we are still running toward the goal but...

No I make no such claim........and am thankful that when I'm not, Jesus has fulfilled the Law for me.

You're entitled to an opinion. But you are still not addressing the point I was making. I understand that it is by faith, and that Epi undermines or destroys faith with how he is teaching. Your post came across as loosey goosey. Don't know how else to describe it. It wasn't meant as an...

I'm going to need to spend some quiet time with Lord on this. And I thought the "all flesh" had to do with meaning upon the Gentiles and not just the Jews....they were very sort of aware that the Lord had up to then been revealed to them and not the Gentiles. There is the also aspect of an...

Agree, but scripture ALSO also says we ARE in the Spirit if we HAVE the Spirit. That is the part that is being denied. All who believe (genuine faith not of our own) have the Spirit and therefore are in the Spirit to some degree.....and many do have spiritual experiences at various times if it...

My post evoked a strong reaction from you. And the main body of it is being ignored. Many in the church are offended and reject it these days, in favour of world pleasing politically correct versions. I will try to explain. Your post seems to be leaving the door too wide open.......implying...