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Yes..... God, and His heavenly realm exists outside of time.........the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world....but there is also the aspect of the "fullness of time"........Jesus didn't come until the fullness of time (as God appointed it)....I think it must be the same with Pentecost too. Hard to get my head around these things.
All flesh meant both Jews and Gentiles..........and it does seem clear even from that verse that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was not part of the old covenant.
Exactly, that's what they were waiting for. However, it can't be denied that there were people under the old covenant that were filled with the Holy Spirit.
And this is your problem. You think you know where other people are at. Isn't it presumptuous to assume you know something that you really don't? Where is the humility , that you say you agree with, in that? Just let God be the judge and you will stay out of trouble.
True, but neither can it be denied that the Holy Spirit wasn't given until after the death and resurrection (and ascension) of Christ. We as believers are not on the same footing as those under the old covenant. The new covenant is "something better" than the old. That's not anyone boasting over the OT saints., God forbid..........it is simply the gospel and who am I to contradict it?
Are we not to have discernment then? We dont' always discern everything, but in time often more things become clear. And I'm not your judge, just that I understand more clearly what you believe. I haven't seen you talk much, so I didn't know where you were on certain things. Now I understand you better....have a clearer picture.
Under the old covenant it was only given to certain people and had nothing to do with faith in Christ, as He was not yet revealed.
Once again around here those beautiful scriptures and the point the poster was making with them is being ignored, distracted and deflected from by the picking of a fight about something else.
All I know is that we can't make the old covenant equal to the new covenant.....it wasn't. The new covenant brought a sea change, a new and better paradigm. Episkopos says believers who are not "perfected" are on the same footing as the Jews under the old covenant. That is just very wrong.
Discernment from the Spirit, yes. Superficial judgements from the natural mind, no.
The gospel offends those who reject it. Those that receive it gladly are blessed with the grace (empowerment) to please the Lord. They take His yoke upon them.
Not sure where this came from. I am not seeing anyone with a politically correct message that has all men speaking well of them here. Just the opposite.
That's good if you aren't. It seemed to me that is what people were objecting to. What is the point you are making then? Do you agree with Epi that not yet fully matured believers are on the same footing as Jews under the old covenant?
That sounds like with me. I took a nap at 6:30 A.M after being awake since 1 A.M. and just recently awoke again. And sometimes I’ll need another nap after another 4-6 hours awake. I still get enough sleep I just rarely do it unbroken as I used to. I thought that would end when I moved away from familial chaos, supposing that’s where the sudden exhaustions came from, but no, it continued afterwards too and even to this day.
The conundrum of the law under the NEW covenant is this. We are not "under" the law when we are in the Spirit because we fulfill the law:
My post evoked a strong reaction from you. And the main body of it is being ignored.
Many in the church are offended and reject it these days, in favour of world pleasing politically correct versions.
I will try to explain. Your post seems to be leaving the door too wide open.......implying that we must be humble because can't know the ways of God and giving examples to try and show that, when actually the examples you gave do teach us His ways. Being too 'loosey goosey' (can't think of another word) leaves the door open for being politically correct....it IS politically correct.......and it leads down the path of a "new agey" mindset. That is what I was discerning with it and responded accordingly. Discernment is by faith. It's not an exact science and there is a way in which when we hold onto something in spirit we can be sure of it and standing upon it but also at the same time being available for the Lord to tweek or correct or grow our understanding if need be. Faith: blessed are you who have not seen yet believe....we stand on faith not "proof". And what I mean is that humility doesn't mean we cannot be certain and not able to stand upon anything....there is a kind of balance if that is the right word.
Agree, but scripture ALSO also says we ARE in the Spirit if we HAVE the Spirit. That is the part that is being denied. All who believe (genuine faith not of our own) have the Spirit and therefore are in the Spirit to some degree.....and many do have spiritual experiences at various times if it isn't being quenched by false teachings, lack of growth, etc.. We are not under the Law if we have received Christ...we are in the new covenant. We are not on the same footing as unbelieving Jews under the Law.
I am just pointing out that you don't have true discerment...just carnal judgments
I am not sure you really understand the gospel.
Obviously, you have no idea what I believe. To declare me as "loosey goosey" or of a "new agey mindset" shows your ignorance of that. (I find that amusing) You present a contractionary position. You claim to laud humility but your errant and unlearned judgements fail to demonstrate it.
True discernment from the Spirit IS exact. The problem is that you confuse your carnal superficial judgements as "discernment". You are correct when you say that is not exact.
Humility admits it's lack of full knowledge and leaves the judgement to the Lord. We can stand on this hope (if you will hear it)
Do you claim to be always walking in the Spirit and fulfilling the righteousness of the law?
I'm going to need to spend some quiet time with Lord on this. And I thought the "all flesh" had to do with meaning upon the Gentiles and not just the Jews....they were very sort of aware that the Lord had up to then been revealed to them and not the Gentiles. There is the also aspect of an early rain and latter rain....the glory of the latter house being greater than the former house etc. Speaking of the old and new covenants in that respect.
