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The change man receives, each in his/her own order comes in life when we are born again through the Spirit of Christ. The change we experience is not outward, but inward where our spirit was natural man, and spiritually speaking "dead in trespasses and sins." When we have been spiritually...

I agree but (1) they aren't the only martyred souls John sees, and (2) the martyred souls of Rev 6 didn't remain under the altar waiting for Christ to redeem them from the graves. After His cross and resurrection, we see them again in Rev 7 as 144,000 from all the tribes of the children of...

If you aren't convinced with the verses I've given I doubt any other verses will convince you. John shows living souls in heaven after being martyred for their faith. If they are not in heaven and are as the angels of God; spirit beings, then what do the living martyred souls John shows us...

When we read the context of 1Cor 15 we find that Paul tells us not only about the natural body that shall be resurrected and changed when the last trumpet sounds, he also tells us of what our natural body becomes when we die. Paul makes a clear distinction between the natural body of flesh, and...

Until you can explain what you mean when you say we shall have spiritual body when our body is resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, you're wasting your time pursuing this. I've lost all patience with your manner of communicating in these forums!

We have to be a spiritual body without human flesh because we won't be immortal and incorruptible body of flesh until the sounding of the last trumpet. That's when our body too will be raised incorruptible. 1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot...

Exactly! After death our body shall be like the angels of God in heaven spirits without flesh. That's why Paul writes we have a natural body and a spiritual body, and together in this world called complete human souls. And in the world to come our natural body will be immortal & incorruptible...

Do you understand the initial change for each in his/her own order is going from natural (physical) body, to spiritual body without human form when we die? Our spirit was made eternally alive when we believed in Christ and born again. When our body is dead then our natural body no longer has...

I have not said that we have an incorruptible immortal spiritual body EVER! I said we now have mortal corruptible body of flesh made alive through spirit in us, called living souls. When Christ comes again our body is changed from mortal flesh to immortal flesh made alive through spirit that...

What kind of a body can enter into heaven; a spiritual realm if not spirit of man?

If not accomplished within the allotted time of 490 years how can that be the time fixed to finish transgressions and make an end of sins? The city and temple will have been spiritually destroyed long before Messiah the Prince would come. The physical destruction that shall come in 70 AD are...

If the prince that shall come is Titus in 70 AD as has been argued, his people who shall destroy the city and temple must be within the allotted timeframe after Messiah is cut off. All that is foretold in vs 24 must come to pass within the 490 years timeframe, which must include the army of...

Immortality doesn't belong to spirit! Spirit doesn't need immortality it is ETERNAL! That's why the life we receive when we have been born again is eternal until we receive a physical body changed from mortal to immortal. As God, Jesus is Spirit. When He was a man, His body was mortal...

The Old Testament saints could not go to heaven before Christ literally came to make atonement for sin and defeat death. That's why the Old Covenant faithful saints were in the bosom of Abraham. They did not go to the same place of the dead as the rich man, who was merely dead and buried...

Yes, I meant Mt 22 Th parable of the kingdom of heaven.

No matter how you try to slice it the prophesy of Dan 9 must be fulfilled in the timeframe allotted that is 490 years! Not 490 years plus 30-40 years. The breaks in this timeframe show what shall come to pass at differing points within the same timeframe of 490 years. Your view not quite the...

Neither of you are understanding what I'm saying. We know from Dan 9 that it is the people of the prince that shall come that destroy the city and sanctuary. That means they are Jews, because Messiah's (prince) people are the Jews. They did not literally destroy the city and temple but...

Yes, that's one prophesy the Preterit uses to assume Daniel 9 is referring to the physical destruction in 70 AD. How do you biblically prove Lk 19:41-44 is prophesy for the destruction that came in 70 AD and keep within the timeframe given by Daniel it happening within the 490 years he...

After saying Messiah, the Prince in vs 25, vs 26 says Messiah shall be cut off, then he writes of the prince that shall come. What prince is Messiah if not Messiah the Prince of vs 25? Do you believe Messiah, the Prince and Messiah cut off are not the same Messiah? Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And...

Yes, that is exactly what I believe the Word of God shows us. How else if not through spirit could the life we receive when we have been born again be eternal life?