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I would only add seventy weeks of years = 490 yrs. not days as some believe.

What coming of Christ after He ascended? Mt 24:30 refers to Christ coming again at the end of this age. Daniel is referring to Christ' first coming. Everything in Daniel comes before the end of this age, "even unto the consummation."

They did in the 1611 KJV. You must be referring to a more modern version where the translators do write "prince that shall come". Makes me wonder how much bias was used in interpreting? Daniel 9:25 (KJV16) Know therefore and vnderstand, that from the going foorth of the commandement to...

It would be helpful if you gave the sources from AI. Because both Covenantee and I have copies of the 1611 KJV that prove otherwise. Looking at the 1611 KJV proves the translators did capitalize Prince of vs 26, as well as Messiah the Prince vs 25. Daniel 9:25 (KJV16) Know therefore and...

I found confirmation, or so I think may be confirmation in this verse in Dan 10. I noticed the 1611 translators did not capitalize "prince' of the Kingdom of Persia. Yet Michael one of the chief "Princes" is? Does this suggest the tranlators viewed Michael as belonging to the triune Godhead...

This 1611 translation suggests the translators believed Prince is referring to Messiah who was cut off. Even though "hee" is not caps, it seems obvious that "hee" in vs 27 is still speaking of Messiah who is the Prince, because there is not another Messiah or Prince introduced. Daniel 9:26...

It's not the Scriptures themselves, only how you seem to make the coming of Christ only about the New Testament Church while leaving out how Christ came first to the physical Jewish people. While coming with the Kingdom of God from heaven that all man (Jew & Gentile of faith) might enter therein...

There is only one thing I differ with you about here. I believe the prophet Daniel in chapter 9 is speaking prophetically about what shall become of the Jewish people when Messiah the Prince, would come to spiritually usher in the Kingdom of God as He sends His disciples who shall be from every...

Each will see it either FROM the Bible itself, or by reading it INTO the Bible from extrabiblical sources as the Preterit does.

David, you're forgetting that everything Daniel is saying is future from him. The prince that shall come is the same Messiah the Prince the man Gabriel said would be coming after 490 years have passed. He is the anointed most Holy Messiah the Prince! All that comes to pass from the moment of...

You promote and defend Preterit doctrine but you don't believe you are a Preterit? And you call me a liar? Gee, wouldn't be calling me a Preterit be an insult for you? I mean since you've called not only I but many of the people posting in these forums much worse, belittling, laughing at...

But you are defending WPM who says it is Titus! If you don't want to be linked with him, stop defending the error! In this passage of Daniel 9 there is no mention of any other Messiah, prince or he that is NOT Christ! Than why are you defending someone who does say that? I quoted him, you...

No, this is how you whine when I label you Preterit for promoting and defending the Preterit doctrine.

How is that a viable understanding? Whether 'he' refers to Messiah in vs 26 or the prince that shall come, you still haven't explained how 'he' that shall confirm/strengthen the covenant can be anyone other than Christ! Where in Scripture, not history past can we find Titus or anyone else...

Be careful not to judge others for what you are guilty of! Matthew 7:1-2 (KJV) Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. No, what you're doing is trying to protect the Preterit...

Mental gymnastics! Yes, the people of the prince destroy the city and sanctuary, therefore 'he' is either referring to the prince who shall come or the people of the prince. He not 'they' or 'them' as WPM and apparently you are trying to force. If 'he' was Titus and the Roman Army or even the...

Since it is the people of the prince who shall come, that CORRUPT the city and sanctuary are the Jewish people, I think there might be less confusion if 'shachath' had been translated corrupt. Because the city and temple were already corrupt when Messiah the Prince came, and after the cross...

Taking the popular position does not make that opinion truth. How do you explain (without doing mental gymnastics with the passage) how "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" if 'he' is not Messiah the Prince? 'He' can only be referring to "the prince that shall come" who is...

It seems that you want to re-write the verses to support the Preterit point of view? Dan 9:25-27 speak of only ONE prince, written as Messiah the Prince, Messiah cut off, the prince that shall come, and he shall confirm the covenant, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it...

More Preterit gymnastics. Just spin and twist he of vs 27 to be Christ while saying the prince that shall come is Titus, even though the passage clearly says the prince that shall come is the SAME he who shall confirm the covenant.