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Why are there Christians who came to Christ, but are now atheists? Didn't they come to Christ? Did the Father draw them? Are these atheists saved because of this passage?

No it is meant to read it in Spirit and in Truth, not according to man made doctrines. I was at my mechanics shop while my car was being worked on and pulled out my Bible to read Ephesians again, as I recalled when it was difficult for me to understand years ago. So I read it slowly, and wham...

By not knowing about John 17, you don't know vital information as to who John 6:43-44 is referring to. The eleven apostles were drawn by the Father as He knew them before the foundation of the world. You have been taught this includes you. I can see why you don't want to let that go.

Jesus always knew there would be 12 apostles in the end. But He also knew Judas was not going to be one of them. The eleven were to first go to the Jews. But God's vision to Peter later on (who knows how long) that the Holy Spirit was to go now to the Gentiles happened. Then Jesus called...

So you don't believe what is written? Listen to me. Throw away all doctrines of men, and possibly demons and read the Word of God slowly and let it be your truth. You just showed everyone that Paul is wrong and your man-made doctrine is true.

Ephesians 1:3-12 Paul's reasoning about the Apostles: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without...

All of them except the son of perdition that the Scriptures may be fulfilled. You haven't been listening.

They first belonged to the Father. You just asked me this and you didn't like the answer. This is about the Apostles, not those who walked away after believing in Jesus. Those never belonged to the Father. CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT!!! John wrote chapters 6, 10 and 17 addressing the connection...

It was specifically talking about His Apostles. They are those the"Father gives to the Son." Those who walked away in the last passage I posted to you, "came to him" also. If it had been the Father that brought them to Jesus, they would have never walked away. Maybe this prayer Jesus prayed for...

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” 61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was...

The TRUTH shall make you free. John 8:32, 34-36 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36...

It is your soul and spirit that is born again. They make up our nature. When Jesus cleanses our sin, He didn't leave us with a sin nature, David. What good would that do us? NO! Jesus makes us free from sin with a new nature. Anyone who does not have this freedom from sin has NOT been born...

Why are you quoting this out of Romans 7 about the time we all go through before accepting Jesus when we are still in the flesh and therefore, UNDER the law? Go back and read verses 5-6 for context about when we are no longer in the flesh and are delivered from the law so that we should serve in...

The ones who could not be snatched out of the Father's hand were the apostles. People believe a lie when they believe now that they are Christians and will never stop sinning until they die and receive their new bodies, that they are firmly in the Father's hands. If they can't stop sinning...

I shouldn't have included the beginning that says who this epistle is to. But the part about predestination is about those who first believed. That is the apostles and not all Christians. Paul is simply giving his credentials as one of the apostles who were predestined. Sorry to burst your...

We are not all apostles, pf. Read John 6 slowly and see who walked away, but who stayed. The Apostles. They were the only ones who were predestined. You've been taught a lie. Read the Word for yourself. Are you a Calvinist? He was a murderer, so his fruit is rotten.

According to verse 22 He was speaking to His apostles. However, He also said some of that in the Sermon on the Mount to everyone. I know I live by it.

Read it slower. It is in three sections. The first is who this epistle is to. The second is Paul telling of his authority with the other apostles WHO WERE THE FIRST TO BELIEVE. Then in 13 back to the Ephesians. David, who were the first to believe?

Read Ephesians 1 very slowly. Verse 12 tells you who was being predestined. Verse 13 are those who listen to them and believe what the apostles said.

Who that is referring to are the apostles. Read verse 12.