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Thus making the following verses wrong: 1 Cor 8:6, But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God...

Since you really can't can't come up with any scripture that clearly say Jesus is God, nor can you explain all the clear verses that make such an assertion quite impossible (and I've only given you a fraction of such verses), I think the only reason you keep saying Jesus is God is because you...

But no actual verses for me? Need I remind you yet again that Jesus is expressly called a man some 6 times? That hieis not once is he expressly called God? That God is expressly said to not be a man? So where does it say both were god-men? Please, just one declaration as those I've given you...

If you're referring to Philippians, notice it says we should think and be the same way (Phil 2:5). Trinitarians yank verse 6 totally out of context so as to "prove" a preconceived idea.

Do you realize I merely quoted a verse. And you want to argue? Well, since I didn't write the verse, find out who did and take up with him.

No. Most scholarly trinitarians would say that there is no clear cut decleartions of the trinity (the actual word, nor any of the other words used to describe it are MIA for starters) in the scriptures. Mostly because there isn't. But they claim the trinity can be "derived" from the scriptures...

2 Tim 3:1-5, 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce...

I didn't think you were saying I was involved with mysticism. I understood with what you said and I was agreeing with you. I guess a fair number, too many really, Christians do dabble in it though. Yep, all thanks to Adam. But not to worry, through Jesus God made the new man composed of both...

Well, I wasn't talking about mysticism or human fabrications either. The record God gave us about Israel is hardly mysticism or human fabrications. They are true. But they are also historic, given that they are most certainly not current events. Since God saw fit to show us Israel's history, I...

History and spirituality are not mutually exclusive. The people of the Ancient Near East, including Israel, were very spiritual people. In fact they were much more spiritually minded than the Modern West. They didn't even make a distinction between the natural and the spiritual. Every thing to...

Eph 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: I mentioned how it really helps to understand the scriptures through the eyes of those to whom God gave it. It's easy enough to see how the Jews...

Good verses. Too bad many of the Jews didn't recognize Jesus, their promised Messiah. I noticed that the dominion, the glory, and the kingdom promised to the son of man would be given to him. One might ask who gave it to him. Must have been somebody that had all of that before the son of man had...

Well, my self discipline seems to have failed yet again and here I am writing yet another post to you on the subject. "Oh wretched man that I am...." :) But I'm only writing to correct a mistake I made regarding the son of man. I guess the way I wrote it was not what I meant to say. It was...

Good point about why the various spirit beings are called sons of God. Seems simple enough. I think that Gen 1:27 is relevant to our discussion. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. The plural "us" in verse 26 is changed...

The word "through"is the Greek word "dia" and indicates agency. A movie producer negotiates with an actor through that actor's agent. The agent is an intermediary between the actor and the producer. There are three parties here, the producer, the actor, and the agent. The agent and the producer...

Genesis 1:26 does indeed say God was not alone when He created man, but in and of itself, there is no reason that it must be Jesus. But who exactly is the "us?" I can't speak for everybody, but for many years I took the "us" to mean Juses. Reflecting back on those days I realize the only...

I'm thinking we are not as far apart on things as I may have thought at first. But I do see some things differently. I'd like to discuss them, but I don't want to offend you in any way. I have to admit that I have been guilty of that with you, but I don't want to do it any more. I'll just try to...

You yourself may not be the obstinate one I take it? No possibility of that? It has to be me? OK. Yep...we'll leave it there alright. Well, let's see about that. There is: God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit I numbered the list for clarity. "Thus the Father is God; the Son is...

So the only possible conclusion is that this angel is Jesus? I'm thinking there is some other conclusion. Did I not send you the list that showed who Jesus is in every book of the Bible? Maybe I sent it to a couple of other folks, so here it is again: In Genesis he is the promised seed of...

Well, those are all good verses, although I'm not sure why you think the 50 angels you mentioned were Jesus. Could not those angels have been angels? That's what God called them. God certainly knew the word "Jesus" and He could have used that word if that's what He meant. I think He meant angels...