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  1. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I have no idea how anybody can make sense out of God's revelation when taken as you take it. I can't imagine why anyone would want to take the clear deceleration of 1 Cor 12:7 which says "manifestation" and turn it into a third God when the scriptures declare thar He, the Father, is the one God...
  2. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I've never heard of an orthodox church that would agree with what I said about God putting Israel on hold (during Acts to Jude) and then pick up with them again in Revelation. Most of them think Revelation is for Christians (more on that later). I think the scriptures say Revelation is for Jews...
  3. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    You and I had a discussion about not answering questions. You even include a couple of moving gifs whose exact meaning escaped me, but I saw enough to know it was mocking in character. Not complaining, just saying. In that same vein, and I may have missed it, but I don't recall an answer from...
  4. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well, I can understand that the idea of the church being Israel can be "derived" from the scriptures, but I think when taken as written, nothing could be farther than the actual truth. I fail to see how Romans 11 would have any meaning whatsoever if the church was actually Israel. I guess I...
  5. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I tried to graciously bow out of the conversation with a bit of humor. I suppose you are right that I didn't take any side, but it was a deliberate avoidance. It's just how I roll. A large part of my actions is that this stuff sure sucks up time (at least that's what my wife says, and I'm forced...
  6. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I think a careful read of my posts will show I've pretty well laid out my case. I just didn't see the need to beat a dead horse to death. But, if I had answered your questions one more time, would you have then believed everything I say? Did I miss my opportunity to bring you over to my side...
  7. Rich R

    Should Audio-Video Recording Cameras Be Used In Elementary Public Schools?

    No problem. Sometimes things can get moving pretty fast in these forums. I've misread plenty of posts myself. This morning the thought hit me that cameras in classrooms are like open heart surgery. Nobody wants one but it beats the alternative. I remember my first pager. It beeped. Period. No...
  8. Rich R

    Should Audio-Video Recording Cameras Be Used In Elementary Public Schools?

    I thought I was clear that I do see the necessity of cameras in the classroom by saying, quote, "I guess because of our rather sick and ungodly society we have to have cameras." I just added to that by saying I thought a society that needed to do that is far from being a healthy society. I...
  9. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I think you are suggesting I'm a child. From the Forum rules: "No insults are allowed. Included in this are all forms of flaming, harassment, and trolling/goading as determined at the discretion of the Christianity Board Team. Trolling/Goading is defined as repeated attempts through the use of...
  10. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I guess we disagree on a whole bunch of things. I thought for sure you'd believe everything I say by now. Just kidding! :)
  11. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Great reminder! I hope 1 John 3:2 becomes reality before I lay my head down tonight, but if not, I'll stick around until it does.
  12. Rich R

    Should Audio-Video Recording Cameras Be Used In Elementary Public Schools?

    I guess because of our rather sick and ungodly society we have to have cameras, but I would say that reasoning doesn't sit well with me. The fact that I'm not doing anything wrong is precisely the reason I don't need to be observed all the time. Giving up privacy, as justified as it may...
  13. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I thought about no man ever seeing God. If you don't mind, I'd like to share with you a few thoughts and maybe get your input. Here goes: Like many words we all use, the word "see"can have different meanings. Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament: ὁράω, -ῶ, 1. Of bodily...
  14. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Sorry to keep bringing up Colossians 1:27, but I think it is highly relevant. Col 1:27, To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Are we therefore actually Christ? I'm thinking not. Good...
  15. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Then Jesus must be the Father. Do you find any other support for that in the scriptures? I can't think of any, but I don't know all the intricies of the scriptures. Who does? John 17:21-22, 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in...
  16. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    That's a very interesting observation. I always assumed Adam and Eve did see God, but I guess maybe not now. In fact, Genesis doesn't say anything about Adam and Eve seeing God at all. Gen 3:10 says Adam heard God (no mention of Jesus though if we accept the text as written), but hearing is not...
  17. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Thanks for the bit about faith the size of a mustard seed. That always helps when I want to believe something that appears humanly impossible. We are asked to believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Our very salvation depends on that belief. Well, I've seen lots of dead people, but I've never...
  18. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Again, all good stuff, but how does it fit with 1 Corinthians 8:6. All verses must agree or we have nothing and might as well eat, drink, and be merry. I'm glad you quoted verse 5. Usually that verse is left out of the context of verse 6. Verse 5 says that whatever Jesus thought, we also ought...
  19. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I love those verses! We sure have a great God, don't we? As far as the secret goes, there are actually a few secrets God mentions in the Bible, the one you mentioned being one of them. But I think the secret relevant to our discussion (the one I'm thinking of anyway), is the one that God kept...
  20. Rich R

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    All good stuff, but any comment on 1 Cor 8:6 which clearly says only the Father is God? Have you seen anything anywhere, inside of or outside of the scriptures, that calls Jesus the Father? I think that verse lays out pretty definitively as to who the one God is. I know there are some verses...