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We differ on several essentials of Christianity. I hold to the historical Orthodox faith that was given to us 2000 years ago. On the topic we were discussing, among the very large volume of evidence, two books would be helpful to you. On The Incarnation, by St Athanasius and The Ancestral Sin...

So, for three days the Trinity did not exist. The Son was separated from the from the Father? You have a spiritual death, so how does one have a spiritual resurrection. Where in scripture do you find texts that support this idea of a spiritual death of Jesus. The texts I used earlier have...

In ancient texts. You can use the simplier word, repeat, renew. Or the word scripture uses, reconcile the world, Why the addition of words to scripture? What does this even mean, spiritual death? How did Christ die a spiritual death? How are spiritual dead people raised from that spiritual...

Job has nothing to do with it. Heb 2:14-15. Clearly, it states Christ assumed our human nature, became like one of us, so that He could defeat the one who has the power over death. Because He created Adam in His own Image and likeness. He created Adam with an independent will from His own. Man...

Why would you come to that conclusion?

I agree with that. But the fact is that we do not sin as did Adam. We sin because of our now fallen nature which Adam did not have. This phenomenon is explained in I Cor 15:56. This is where your theology begins to be inconsistent with scripture, God did not create death. Satan had the power...

From a theological point of view no human being is born a sinner. Man does not inherit Adam's sin or guilt but the consequence of that sin which was death, dust to dust. What man inherits is mortality. Able to die. Rom 5:12 attest to this fact. Christ assumed this same human nature that...

Never stated it was a groupie thing. It is a drop of blood that redeemed the world. Christ reconciled the world. Made the world and mankind specifically right with God. That is atonement. The Atonement was to God. Scripture NEVER uses the word atonement in relation to man's response. The...

Scripture disagrees with you. Atonement is not for individuals. If it was, then we would not have needed Christ. We could be our own sacrifice, or expiate or atone for our sins. Where do you read that in scripture. The Atonement of Christ makes justification by faith possible. Atonement means...

I explained that in the earlier post. But...God did not abolish death in this life. He did not abolish sin either. It becomes a test of faithfulness in this dispensation. Death was permanent under Adam. You mother, if Christ was not promised and never came would cease to exist. There is no...

The most important and primary purpose of the atonement is for Christ to overcome death. Death destroyed His creation. His death and resurrection recapitulated the created order.Without overcoming death there is no eternal existence. There would be no need for either heaven or hell. The...

Propitiation is part of the atonement. Christ accomplished two things in His atonement. Overcame death, and propitiated for sin, made a sacrifice. This atonement is to God. Christ was redeeming, reconciling this world to God. So by your definition, if atonement means removal of sin. then whose...

It starts with the fall of man. Adam was created to be in union with God. He was to work with God in this created universe to bring both himself and creation back to God as a living sacrifice. To grow to spiritual maturity and attain immortal life. He was created with a will independent of God...

I know what scripture defines as Christ's atonement but I still do not know how you can limit that atonement. That you have not explained. You show examples as to the purpose of the atonement, thinking that since all mankind does not believe that is somehow a restriction on the atonement. I'm...

Definition of a word is meaningless outside of context. You gave no scriptural explanation of how the atonement could be limited. You gave the purpose of the atonement, but nothing about the atonement, how it could be limited, I understand your position and I am not interested in reading any...

The atonement and the purpose of the atonement are two different things. However you still have not shown how the atonement can be limited. I gave you two questions, can you answer them? If you can then you have provided evidence of a limited atonement.

Rev 7:9 does not even reference the atonement. It is actually a picture of heaven and John sees a host of believers from all corners of the world. Christ did not cleanse a single sin(s) by His Atonement, save possibly the Thief. Your view actually eliminates the whole function of Christ being...

What total misunderstanding of the correlation between the fall and redemption. If not for Christ, there would be no hell. By His Resurrection and overcoming death hell was actually established. Now that mankind has immortal life there needs to be a place for believers and for unbelievers.

To all who hold to Limited Atonement I have never read any post that actually explains what Limited atonement might be. You assert it but never explain. So here is your opportunity to explain just how Limited Atonement works.

I know you don't believe in the efficaciousness of of Incarnation, but it is precisely the purpose of the Incarnation and Christ reconciling the world, that He is able to grant eternal life to all men. But it is man that will decide whether it will be heaven or hell. Your issue is that you are...