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I agree! Babies too are under the curse of death. We aren't called sinners when we commit sin, we sin because we are born to sin.

I'm defensive (1) because some of the hostility is toward myself also (2) it troubles me when Christians attack one another. I also don't like it because I too have a tendency to return evil with evil, and I really don't want to do that. I've tried to answer your questions. Rather than asking...

I think we get a clearer picture of angels when we think of them as "messengers" of God that can be spirit or human. The context helps us to determine which. John the Baptist for instance was a messenger of God. The messenger of Satan was sent to fight against Paul. Both instances the word...

What I've sensed in this thread are some, who are provoking and slandering not only what TS is saying, but also making charges against his character. This goes too far! Early on the thought was revealed that he has learned from Tony Warren, and one even went so far (if memory serves me) as to...

How do you define elect angels? Are you speaking of celestial spirit beings in heaven observing things of the earth? Do they belong to the ministering spirits from the letter to the Hebrews speaking of the angels of God saying "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his...

That's the traditional understanding, handed down through the ages with no biblical proof that Satan was a good angel before becoming evil.

I stated this in a way that even a small child could understand. Isn't the truth that because you are convinced that Satan was created an angel of God and became this evil Satan the reason you refuse to receive what I have plainly stated?

I was with you until you say "satan is a fallen angel/spirit. No I do NOT deny Satan is spirit, not a spirit, but spirit. The only personhood that Satan can and does achieve is when he takes up residence within the hearts and minds of humans.

That was not my intention, which is why I said "IMO".

I agree that spirits work through the hearts and minds of mankind. It's hard for some of you to really hear what he is saying because your minds IMO appears to be closed!

I will allow him to answer for himself. He will be far better able to define his beliefs than I would be. The problem is that you as well as others here already have your minds made up, and you seem reluctant to receive how the things, works and ways of evil spirits vs. angels are to be...

You need to read more carefully! I have NEVER said spirits do not exist! You have the right to disagree with what I have said, but you don't have the right to say I've said something I have not!

It sounds more like doctrine derived from the Left Behind series of FICTIONAL books as well as fictional works like The Late Great Planet Earth. Perhaps these are the sources that AI used?

The beginning of creation is when sin and death through sin came to earth. Since the evil spirit called the serpent is the cause for A&E being deceived, he was a liar, which is why he is called the father of lies. The same evil spirit called the serpent brought death to God's creation, that...

How could two Christians reading the replies of another Christian come to such opposing understanding to what was said???

I understand the symbolic depictions of spirit beings. The Bible speaks of two types of spirit beings, (1) serving God (2) serving Satan. I disagree with tradition handed down defining the evil spirit as once having been a spirit for good, who sinned against God and became the master evil...

David, there is nothing wrong with my vision. Perhaps the Spirit has not yet opened your spiritual eyes to know things that can only be spiritually discerned? 1 Corinthians 2:10-13 (KJV) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep...

John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. The serpent as...

The Bible certainly seems to show him as real, and evil, in fact a murderer from the beginning, and father of lies. But the Bible never says he was an angel of God who fell. He was created for evil from the beginning. Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of...

I've already shown you once, here again are some verses that tell us where evil and wickedness in man comes from. Genesis 6:5 (KJV) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Matthew 15:19-20...