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@marks Awake for a short time, but just wanted to tell you how much l appreciate this conversation too, because it is very good how you have been taking things apart and making me look again at how my beliefs developed and most importantly, am l right or wrong. I actually hope l am wrong. Have...

But that is saying Paul sees himself as a child.

I don't see that in scripture till Pentecost, the end point of the sanctification process. The vessel is cleansed at that point ie tongues of fire.

Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” 1 Cor 11:12 He is comparing the past to now, from child to man; knowing in part - which must be past to keep to the analogy, today - knowing fully. I don't know why the wording has shifted. Have not noticed this...

I see the process starting when we first come to Christ, having heard His call and become disciples. At this stage, we need to go through trials so that we can understand what flesh is and what He requires of us to walk in the Spirit. We can see examples of this both in the OT and the New in the...

You are seeing through eyes of human reasoning otherwise known as the flesh, that will do anything to stay alive and not go to the cross, regarding when spiritual rebirth takes place. You are the same as the disciples before Pentecost, only knowing the law. Paul warned of such as you who...

Romans 7

This one thing I do This is the concern, as it is the sole business, of my life. Forgetting those things which are behind My conduct is not regulated nor influenced by that of others; I consider my calling, my Master, my work, and my end. If others think they have time to loiter or trifle, I...

The Heart and the Philippians The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked and who can know it? Jer 17:9 For as he thinks in his heart so is he Prov: 7 For out of the heart proceeds evil thoughts Matt 15:19 It is the heart which is the seat of the moral life not the...

Not met personally but I believe that the very early bishops were chosen on those terms. Then again I have not been looking for any.

The verse says if we sin, not when we sin which it would if that was the expectation. We can be restored but as Hebrews tells us it is not easy and man cannot do it, only God so serious a matter it is. And it can take quite some time.

"Finite Understanding: Humans have finite minds, and our understanding is limited by factors such as language, cultural differences, and personal biases. " This is only correct for the carnal mind. The spirit of man is revealed truth by the Spirit. "A false teacher teaching error can spread...

Yes. There is the need to know how not to slip back into seeing things from human eyes rather than spiritual, and all of the guiles of the enemy and keep them in mind which is the hardest. But that longing for more closeness with God has been satisfied. He has filled the hole as it were...

Paul often used the term 'we' or 'let us' when he was obviously not including himself. In 2 Cor 5:11-20 It seems the word "we" sometimes refers just to the apostles (eg verse 12-13). Other times it refers to everyone (eg verse 21). However it is often ambiguous (eg verse 14, 20). Yes I think it...

Brethren, how sad it is when the church does not have unity on this, the most important doctrine of all and even less today than ever. For if we get this one wrong, there is no hope for us. We are either in or out of Christ, as in the time of Noah, when you were in or out of the ark. You are...

@Johann I know you would like to do it, but I have found it futile arguing scriptures with anyone wearing different lenses. I found this out with JW's. Unless someone is showing some inclining of seeking the truth then I consider it a waste of my precious little time to get into that. Besides...

I don't believe this: Ephesians 2:8, Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” I am talking about doctrine here not praxis. Do you have any examples of additional doctrines? This is true, but as I have mentioned, many who enter...

They were all in agreement about Theosis and how it is attained in the first few hundred years, and then belief in gradual sanctification grew. It is one or the other and there have always been opposers as Satan has always been active to destroy the number one doctrine he hates, as sinning...

There is much testing of course, during the period where we are led to the fullness of ES, and the trials help strengthen us as you say. Once we are in the fullness however, everything changes and we get the full on battle with Satan whereas before we had enough battling within ourselves. It...

Scripture says that, when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part will cease ie will be in fullness, including knowledge. I take this to mean entire sanctification as it also says: “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I...