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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    You have little understanding of Amillennial doctrine you try so hard to discredit! It is by using ALL of Scripture, and not only one chapter found in the most symbolically written book of the Bible, that Amillennial is built upon. Trying to use what is written through vague type and shadow...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    David, since a thousand years symbolizes TIME, it could be as little as one second, minute, hour, day, month, year, or multitudes of time UNKNOWN! When someone lives and dies during this symbolic time, they have lived and died during TIME symbolized a thousand years. The only thing known about...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    NONE can be resurrected to physical life again until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. That comes after the thousand years expire. But then we have Satan's little season. Do you think the dead are resurrected to life just to be physically consumed by the fire of God that comes down...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    David, there are only two ways to understand prophecy of Old. That is through understanding the prophecy specifically given to Israel of Old that has already been fulfilled, or the prophecy points to all that comes to pass after the promised Messiah/Redeemer would come. But it requires...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Who are you arguing will come back to life AGAIN? Do you NOT believe those who have LIVED and REIGNED with Christ during their lifetimes, symbolized a thousand years, BEFORE they died, MUST have come to life AGAIN and that's why John sees them alive after physical death? If that's your...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    How can that be true? The martyred saints alive have already LIVED and REIGNED with Christ during this time, symbolized a thousand years. So how can a thousand years take place before the thousand years starts since these martyred souls have lived and reigned during this period? Why must those...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    This is why I asked you if you believed we reign with Christ in life Marty? You answered yes, and I agreed. We reign in life with Christ during the same time that Satan has been bound. There is not a a thousand years for Satan's binding, and another thousand years when believers before...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The dead are allowed to live again, that they may die again in the LOF that is the second death. This is the only reason the dead shall be raised to life again in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    No, what it means is that the DEAD remain the rest of the DEAD because they did not in TIME (a thousand symbolic years) live and reign with Christ before they died. Since they have physically died it is too late for them to ever live and reign with Him, so they shall not live again until after...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    GB, when John writes that he saw martyred souls alive in heaven, that does not mean they are the only souls who have died and are a spiritual body of believers there. He specifically mentions those martyred for their faith, that we might know what kind of battle we face as we go into all the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I wasn't aware that was your point Marty. Sorry if I misunderstood the point you are making.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    What's the difference? Because none shall physically live again until they are bodily resurrected to life or damnation in an hour coming when the last trumpet begins to sound. Satan's little season begins when the seventh trumpet begins to sound this time symbolized a thousand years shall be...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    1. Satan's little season does NOT begin until this age of TIME, symbolized a thousand years has ended. 2. Day(s) follow the sounding of the seventh trumpet, why? Because Satan's little season begins then. 3. At the end of Satan's little season, still in the day(s) that follow the sounding...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    As long as Christians are physically alive in this world, I would think they are reigning spiritually with Christ. The problem may be how one views this reigning. It is NOT over the world in unbelief, we spiritually reign with Christ over the spiritual Kingdom of God. Until one comes out of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I mostly agree. I really can't understand why some label themselves PP instead of simply saying some of what is written is past history. Grace and peace to you also.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Ok. Good, I thought that's what you had said earlier. Sorry if I did not carefully read your reply.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree! His spirit did not succumb to death as His physical body did but returned to heaven alive. Now, since Christ has risen from the dead, the spirit alive of all who live and die in Christ shall leave the mortal flesh and ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers there.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree Marty. My reason for the question is because I don't see a need for spiritually reigning with Christ after physical death in heaven, nor do I see a need for saints to reign with Christ on the new earth??? I believe that's one of the reasons it's important to understand when John writes...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    How do you know the many that saw this miracle of physical resurrection were living humans on this earth? How can they be physically resurrected from the graves since Scripture says the graves with ALL the dead shall not be until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds? John 5:28-29...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree! John is very clear that Satan's little season shall not begin until TIME symbolized a thousand years has finished. According to what is written in Rev 10 about the sounding of the seventh trumpet when "there shall be time no longer" we read that DAY(S), not one day, but "in the day(s)...