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  1. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Berean... Again...there's no religion called THE WAY. You might have missed that THE WAY was changed to CHRISTIAN... This is from Gemini -- but studying history would be far superior... c. 30 AD: Jesus's crucifixion and the subsequent formation of his followers into a Jewish messianic sect...
  2. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Could you please post something authoratative that declares that the CC began in the 4th century? This is one of the oddest statements I've heard. Augustine was born at the end of the 4th century and the CC was already establised for hundreds of years by then. The term "Catholic Church" first...
  3. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Far from ignoring historical facts Wrangler,,, I am actually DECLARING what the history of Christianity was. My claim is that this religion I practice is called Christian...thus Christianity. I'm not Jewish and I'm not Muslim and I'm not Taoist or any other RELIGION. I did not just invent...
  4. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    I reread my post to you. No doublespeak there. It's very clear. Doublespeak is when a person says one thing but means another. (usually the opposite). I don't do this. I strive to be very clear in my statements. Well, you should be if you're religion means anything to you. Except that if...
  5. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    You can show yourself to the door but I'd like to clarify. A person could have the spirit of Christ but not be Christian. You see, this is the problem here. You don't even acknowledge that there are perameters to what being Christian MEANS. IF you wanted to say you're Italian, for instance...
  6. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    No time now...will be back later. THE WAY became CHRISTIANITY. Christianity is the name of our religion. NOT The Way. IF you belong to some religion called THE WAY, then that's what should be written under your avatar.
  7. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    The above is not only from the first century. You really need to learn some history. I'll tell you who is NOT doing the will of God... those who divide the church. John 17:21 21That they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the...
  8. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    part 3 of 3 @Aunty Jane Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes, Hippolytus of Rome (AD 170-235) was a third-century theologian. He was a disciple of Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John. He...
  9. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    part 2 of 3 @Aunty Jane Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century. Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis. Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born...
  10. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Yes, This IS a question for you. YOU said that the early Christians knew they were being deceived . words to that effect. I asked you: HOW could the early Christians KNOW they were being deceived IF they did not have bibles they could read? It's a very valid question because it shows your...
  11. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Hi Archie.... And it is NOT a salvation issue. This thread is not about soteriology. It's about the DEFINITION of Christianity. A person could be saved and not believe in the Trinity. A person could be saved and not understand the Trinity. A person could be saved AND understand the Trinity...
  12. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Even went back and reread my comment. The above still makes no sense. Sorry. Nobody said the 66 books are not harmonious. If you DID, you'd have written testimony that Jesus is God and you'd believe it. John 14:26 Right. Thanks for proving my point. The Holy Spirit helped the Apostles to...
  13. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    I need scriptural proof for stating what Christianity believes? I thought you were Christian? Don't you know what Christians believe? WHY am I supposed to be debating what all Christians accept?? Oh. So now you believe that: 1. Jesus was just a man or 2. The Disciples were also God...
  14. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Walter, I don't know what your definiton of DEBATE is BUT A friend CAN be a debater of ours. I could have a debate with you and still be your friend. @Grailhunter and I do this all the time! You're conflating a DEBATE with an ARGUMENT.
  15. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    You quoted Hebrews. I'd like you to know that there's no such bible as a Catholic bible. Unlike the JWs,,,Catholics use the exact same bible that Protestants use. It's the JWs that had to print their own version,,,corrupted BTW , so it could sit their doctrine. The following is from...
  16. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Very good! YOU are NOT following orthodox Christianity and it's been shown to you why ad nauseum. Any NEW RELIGION will not be following orthodoxy. You should write a book.
  17. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    What are you talking about?? You let men in a congregation JUDGE you? Can't get your mind out of the JW track. I'm talking about JUDGING AFTER YOUR DEATH... or if YOU prefer since you believe in soul sleep... AT THE LAST JUDGMENT. Not replying to the rest because, as ususal, you're off on...
  18. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Here's what you said in no. 491: "What good are orthodox beliefs, if a religion professing Christ, doesn't obey Christ & His 12 Apostles? Beliefs wouldnt matter a hill of beans, according to Jesus." So you're saying that beliefs DO matter to Jesus? If that's what you're saying,,,then we agree.
  19. GodsGrace

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Ran through your link. I loved the I AM part.... really well explained. Not all the I AM's are the same, of course. Good post. You think those that do not believe that Jesus is God will read it and try to understand? I doubt it. Why learn something new???
  20. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Jesus IS God. God Son not God Father Maybe you could post the scripture to which you're referring. The entire scripture...not just book and verse. Thanks.