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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

    What are you basing that comment on? Please explain how you come to your conclusions. I have no reason to take what you say seriously unless I know how and why you come to your conclusions. What is your understanding of the identity of the locusts? Do you think they are literal locusts? Do you...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Do you somehow not know that until they received the Holy Spirit there were a lot of things that the disciples did not yet understand? Jesus knew that they would not understand everything He was saying at that time. That's why He said this... John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Yes, obviously. So, we have to determine who the sheep represent and who the goats represent. In John 10, sheep represent those who follow Christ and belong to Him. Jesus said this... John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    What are you talking about? We both know that scripture never contradicts itself. Scripture is very clear that salvation is NOT by works. It couldn't possibly be more clear. So, why would you think that Matthew 25:31-46 teaches otherwise? You need to put more effort into finding a way to keep...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    No. Obviously, it's not talking about literal sheep and goats, but the descriptions of people appearing before Jesus and then either inheriting eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world or being sentenced to everlasting punishment are literal things that will occur at...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    I don't because Revelation very clearly has a lot of symbolism and interpreting the plagues literally that way contradicts other scripture, like I've been trying to show you. Scripture clearly teaches that people, generally speaking, will be behaving like in the days of Noah, doing normal things...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    It does not matter one bit if the disciples He was speaking to understood who the elect were at that time or not. What matters is who the elect are at the time of His second coming. That's us. Christians. The church. Matthew 25:31-46 speaks of everyone already being gathered before Christ at...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    The sudden destruction occurs on the day Jesus returns. That is very clear. Paul said "they shall not escape". You say they will escape for 7 years. Your beliefs do not line up with the text. Compare the following two passages. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Yes, I'm sure. That's what Paul said and he knew what he was talking about. He wrote very plainly. He didn't write in symbolic text like is found throughout the book of Revelation. You make the mistake of interpreting everything you read in Revelation literally, thereby causing the text to...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Scripture teaches that. Do you not accept what it says in passages like Ephesians 2:8-9? Do you think that salvation can occur any other way except by God's grace through faith? That is impossible because no one can ever earn salvation/eternal life. Only the work of Christ on the cross can...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Regardless of what exactly is going on in the world during the time before Christ returns, people will still be saying "peace and safety" right up until Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night and then destroys them, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. So, the idea that...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Just read what follows that. Those who are in spiritual darkness are saying it. They are going about their normal lives while saying it. They think they are spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath, but the next thing they know Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night and...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Why are you ignoring my arguments? This is what frustrates me about you. I showed you scripture which speaks of those belonging to Christ being judged by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10) and you're not addressing that. How is the description of believers being judged by their works in verses...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Jesus was speaking of those who would be considered the elect at His second coming. That's us (the church). Other scripture confirms that those who will be gathered when Christ comes are those who are in Christ (1 Thess 4:14-17). It doesn't matter if anyone understood who the elect would be...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

    It does not. Making such claims with no support for them is meaningless. It says Apollyon is the king of the locusts. If you understand that the locusts represent fallen angels, then you should know that the fallen angels have Satan as their king (Matt 25:41, Rev 12:9). That means Apollyon is Satan.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Scripture does not teach that unbelievers will be cast into the lake of fire (everlasting fire) on more than one occasion as Premils like yourself believe. Jesus taught that the wicked, which includes both unprofitable servants and all other unbelievers, will be cast into the fire at the same...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    First, you ask what the passage says and then proceed to say something that the passage doesn't say. It says nothing about Jesus "having already gathered Israel to its land". If you're going to ask what the passage says, then stick to what the passage says. I'm okay with bringing other scripture...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    He taught about the gathering of the elect that will occur at His second coming. Scripture teaches that the elect are those who belong to Christ (Romans 8:31-34). So, I strongly disagree that Jesus didn't teach on the rapture. He didn't give added details like Paul did in 1 Thessalonians...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Let's just start with the question I asked in post #47. I'd like to know if you relate Matthew 13:47-50 to Matthew 25:41 or to Revelation 20:15 (I believe they all refer to the same event) and why.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Let's talk about this. So, you apparently think that only Gentiles are involved in the judgment described in Matthew 25:31-46 and they are judged by their works at that time. Do you not think that Jews will be judged by their works as well? That is what scripture teaches. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For...