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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    You have made a fair number of other personal comments to me before as well and other pre-tribs have made many personal comments, so this isn't just about me. But, I am quite capable of having a discussion minus any personal digs if we can just stick to discussing scripture and actually address...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    You can do what you want, of course. Keep in mind that pre-tribs make personal comments every bit as much as I do. That's a fact. But, as a pre-trib yourself, you're less likely to notice it. I don't have time to respond beyond this right now, but can you at least answer the question I had...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Did Jesus return around 70 AD?

    There are some who think Babylon represents the actual physical city of Jerusalem, so that's what I was arguing against. You can say it's not a hill to die on, but their understanding of Revelation 11:8 is based on that. Let me know if you find it. Until then, I remain unconvinced that the...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    Total nonsense. You need to find a Bible that includes these passages... Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    You can't be serious. I posted them, but you think I haven't read them? How can they not be the same? Do you somehow not know that those who are represented by the goats do not have their names written in the book of life? Why would you think that those whose names are not written in the book of...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Who are you to say how those things should be defined? As if you are the ultimate authority to decide for everyone else how terms should be defined? Ridiculous! How about making an effort to be clear as to how you are using those terms in order to avoid confusion? Is that too much to ask of you...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    LOL. You find it appalling when we post-tribbers agree with Jesus that the rapture will be post-trib. Okay then. Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    Pre-tribs on this forum don't seem interested in getting to the meat of the topic. They do not answer most of the questions or address most of the points that post-tribs make. I would love to discuss passages like Matthew 24:29-51, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and Luke 17:26-37 in depth...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    How are you coming to this conclusion that Matthew 25:31-46 can't be the same judgment as Revelation 20:11-15? Do you think the following verses are referring to completely different events? Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    How exactly do you interpret the following passage.... 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    Right. So, Revelation 1:7 is referring to the same event as Acts 1:11. There is no reason for anyone to deny this. And there's no reason to deny that Revelation 19:11-21 is also referring to that same event, as some are doing.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    What he said is true. I know that from experience. But, go ahead and deny it if you insist.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    You will not do that or you already would have done it. Stop being so dishonest. You have no interest in making any effort to debunk anything. You just make claims with no exegesis and think that's enough. It's not.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    It's not believers who are oblivious to the coming wrath of Christ, it's unbelievers. Unbelievers will be living their lives, carrying on as normal, like in the days of Noah, and then Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night and destroy them. Have you never read these passages... 1...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Revelation 11, Revelation 13, and Luke 17 Connection: Why the Pretrib Timeline Chronologically Collapses

    You noticeably don't even attempt to address any of the points. Why not? Is it too much to ask for you to actually address opposing viewpoints instead of always just brushing them off. I know why you don't address them. You don't know how to address them. You have no answers for them. If you...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    LOL. Says the guy who laughed at my post where I questioned why you just posted a verse and nothing else. It was quite reasonable for me to question that, so it was rude for you to laugh at that. But, I guess you think it's okay if you are rude? How about acting like a mature adult who should be...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    I couldn't care less if you reply to me or not. I'm tired of your nonsense, anyway. I can't take you seriously. And, naturally, you wouldn't find it to be rude to laugh at my post where I questioned why you just posted a verse without any commentary. No, that wasn't rude at all, right? Stop...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

    LOL. No one is changing anything. Yet another false accusation from you. You act as if Acts 1:9-11 means that if Jesus is described as coming on a white horse or with angels or any other details related to His return that aren't mentioned in Acts 1:11 then that doesn't match the way He left, so...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    The context indicates that the falling away from the faith (apostasy) occurs before Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. Do you agree with that?
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

    @CrowCross Are you a little child? What did you find funny about this? You think just posting a verse with no commentary is an acceptable way of having a discussion? What if everyone just posted verses and nothing else here? Do you think that would be a good idea? Grow up.