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Again, fussy logic. There are no camps. Roughly..... You have the period when Adam and Eve were in Paradise. As far as religious groups.....really none. Abraham started the Yahwists. The Abrahamic period. The Abrahamic God was Yahweh. The period of enslavement in Egypt The period of the Exodus...

I am not going to speak to fussy logic. The Israelites/Jews of the Old Testament were looking for a human Messiah. The Jews of the biblical period were looking for a human Messiah. The Jews of today are looking for a human Messiah. Today Christianity covers the world, not anyone country...

Because you do not take into consideration time periods you say things that are incorrect one way or the other. Christ-Messiah....They looked forward to the Messiah, but not like anything that actually happened. They were looking forward to a human warlord king and Elijah would come down in a...

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See you keep bringing up circumcision. We are the spiritual circumcision, the spiritual Israel, the spiritual Jerusalem, the spiritual Indians, the spiritual Incas, the spiritual Persians.....now we need to draw a picture of it. For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision...

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A lot of Christians do not think they are any more. Some Christians petty much hate them.....their father is the devil sort of thing. But I still think they are of the "holy seed" the chosen. But they lost favor in the Old Testament and God pretty much stomped them in the ground. Then they...

I did not bring it up.

You are the one that seem fixated on Israel and circumcision. I keep saying it means nothing. No Israel of God. The church of Christ. Israel and the jews have nothing to offer Christianity.

This is pretty close and also the reality of it all. Trying to mix Judaism and Christianity produces a very weird religion. Christ warned not to do that. 21 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. Otherwise, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. 22...

No dispensationalists live in reality. Has nothing to do with respect, just tell it like it is.

A Jew is not a Christian. For the Jewish-Christian and Gentile Christians circumcision meant nothing. So physical or spiritual means nothing. Circumcision was a requirement of the Mosaic Law, Christians do not observe the Mosaic Law. But Paul had an answer for those that were fixated on...

As I have explained repeatedly, there is nothing admirable about Israel, physical or spiritual. Spiritual failing God. God pretty much stomped them into the ground. Lost their kingdom, enslaved by Pagans, rejected by Christianity, they were treated like witches during the witch-hunts, tortured...

Look down, are you circumcised our uncircumcised? Your pee is not spiritual. It is a physical thing. Paul was saying that the uncircumcised Gentile that believed were as religiously right as the Jews that believed in Christ were.

Dispensationalists......History does not happen in one minute.....they happen over time periods. And each time period has it circumstances and effects on the periods afterwards. David's kingdom was a physical kingdom that happened in a time period. And yes we are in the fullness of the New...

I have said it is not meaningless. You cannot tell us what citizenship in a spiritual Israel means? Do they get a card? Well since Israel did not exist at this time there is not ethnic Israel. I have answered your question quite pointedly.

What is he saying there? I am an Indian if I am one inwardly. But really am I an Indian? Paul makes comparisons. What good is it to be a Jew if you did not accept Christ as the Messiah and Savior? For the Pagans that accepted Christ as the Messiah and Savior they are religiously equal to the...

Only in your head we are Jews.

Again, I did not say it was meaningless. Yes the readers can look back and see that you have a fixation on Israel. And I am sure that some wonder why? I agree with some of that. Blessings of Israel? I guess you define blessings different than me. Solomon worshipped Pagan gods and built...