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How are you coming to that conclusion? The passages you referenced certainly don't support your claim.

I never said otherwise. I wasn't talking to you in that post (#401), I was talking to Truth7t7. Look at it again and you'll see that.

Yes, all. That's what Jesus said. Do you trust in what Jesus taught or not? John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have...

I'm not pushing that aside. I'm showing where Jesus said that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time/hour. That's what He said in John 5:28-29. Tell me how you interpret the passage.

That question is based on your assumption that both passages have to be related to the same event (the return of Christ). I am not obligated to buy into that assumption, so I don't. I see no way at all to reconcile the two passages if they are about the same event. If they were about the same...

I look at ALL of the facts, unlike yourself. I'm not willing to ignore the fact that it only refers to ONE candlestick there, not two. And I'm not willing to ignore the fact that candlesticks represent churches in the book of Revelation (Rev 1:20), not individuals. And im not willing to ignore...

Right. When the flood came after Noah went into the ark, it killed all unbelievers. Jesus said that's how it will be on the day He comes, also (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-30). All unbelievers will be killed on the day He returns, as other scriptures like 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter...

Such utter nonsense. Acts 1:9-11 says nothing one way or another about whether the rapture will be pre-trib or post-trib. You have nothing concrete from scripture to support your wild pretrib theory, so you have to resort to nonsense like this instead.

LOL. There will be no white horses at all. That's all symbolic. Jesus will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended to heaven. Visibly and bodily. There's no reason to think "like manner" has anything to do with riding on a white horse or not.

I agree. I asked him that question because he concludes that two passages are not referring to the same event just because one doesn't mention angels gathering the elect. Well, Revelation 19:11-21 doesn't mention angels gathering the elect, either, but I doubt that leads him to conclude that...

So much for pretribs being the ones who are the literalists, right? Only when it's convenient for them.

They will rise first before then being caught up with those in Christ who are alive and remain. The dead in Christ rising first has nothing to do with the timing of when the dead who are not in Christ will be resurrected. Yes, it is. Jesus said specfically in John 5:28-29 that the hour/time is...

None of that addresses what is written in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-13. You have no way of reconciling your beliefs with passages like those and many others. All you are able to do is post a meaningless diagram that you can't back up with...

So, you believe things that are not taught in the Bible. I see.

Zechariah 4:11-14 only refers to one candlestick/lampstand, not two. Why do you ignore details like that? And then there's the fact that candlesticks/lampstands represent churches in Revelation 1:20. Why do you ignore that? The two witnesses are described as TWO candlesticks/lampstands. Don't...

LOL. Keep the laughs coming. This is the best you can do to come up with an "argument" against post-trib. Hilarious! He left bodily and visibly when He ascended to heaven and He will descend from heaven in like manner the ONE and ONLY time He descends from heaven in the future.

Total nonsense, as usual, from you. The manner in which Jesus left was visibly and bodily (it describes them seeing Him ascend towards heaven with their own eyes) and that is the manner in which He will return (every eye will see Him). In no way, shape or form does that support the wildly...

Other translations say "multitudes" rather than "many". The Hebrew word translated as "many" or "multitudes" does not mean "many, but not all" as you imagine. When all of something is described (in this case all of the dead) they can be described as "many" or "multitudes". The word indicates...

Nonsense. Both passages refer to the resurrection of the dead in Christ which will happen when Christ returns at the last trumpet. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ...

Many does not mean "not all". All of something can be described as "many" or 'a multitude". Everyone but you knows that.