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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    I guess you don't think that Jesus knew what He was talking about when He said a singular hour/time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected when that hour/time comes. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    You're missing that not all passages that describe events related to the second coming of Christ contain all the same details. Do you believe that Matthew 24:30-31 describes the same event as Revelation 19:11-21?
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    26 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

    Can you tell me how you interpret the following passage. 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    26 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

    Exactly. Those who inherit the kingdom of God when Jesus comes will inherit "eternal life" at that time (Matt 25:46). They will have immortal bodies that allow them to have eternal life. Meanwhile, at that time unbelievers will be cast "into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It will be. Keep reading into 1 Thessalonians 5 and look at 2 Peter 3:10-13, also, in order to see what else will happen on the day Jesus comes besides the rapture.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The context of comforting one another with the words of 1 Thess 4:13-18 is that we have the hope of meeting Jesus "in the air" one day and then being with Him forever, unlike unbelievers who have no hope. The earth will be renewed, resulting in the new earth, when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It's the same pattern we have seen on forums like this for many years and it will never change. They are completely incapable of forming coherent arguments using scripture to back up their pretrib theory and that is a proven fact.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Do you think the following will occur when what is described in 1 Thess 4:17 occurs? If not, why not? 2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Exactly. That passage clearly indicates that Christ will come both with and for His people at the same time. The ones who are with Him will be the souls of the dead in Christ and then what will happen first is that their bodies will be resurrected (the dead in Christ shall rise first) and then...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    Read that in context. The order of bodily resurrections Paul gives is that Christ's resurrection itself was first in order and then next in order are "those who belong to him" when He comes again. That's it. You add other resurrections that Paul never taught about.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Pretrib fallacies

    Jesus said all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time/hour. How do you interpret this passage... John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Wrong. That passage relates specifically to the planet EARTH, not the entire universe. That passage is not saying there was no natural light at all anywhere in the universe before God created the sun, the moon and the stars that affect planet EARTH. Read this... Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Answers in Genesis is correct as are millions of other Christians when we say that Satan was once a good angel who rebelled against God. Genesis 1:31 is explicitly clear that everything God created was very good. Do you not believe that God created Satan? If you do believe that, then how can you...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    It's against the rules to make comments about a doctrine? I don't think so. I didn't say anything personal about any person. You appear to be unable to present your view in a clear way. That's all as clear as mud as far as I'm concerned. It does not appear that you know how to exegete scripture.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    All you do is make baseless claims. There is no reason whatsoever for you to come to that conclusion. There is only one trumpet that will sound after Christ descends for the one and only time in the future and it's referred to in various ways. The trump of God. The last trumpet. The seventh...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    This is the kind of thing they have to resort to in order to support their wild pre-trib theory because they have nothing else. John representing the entire church? Total nonsense. He was being given a vision of things that would happen from then on. What happened to him had nothing to do with...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    All of them are hypocritical because they accuse us of the very things they do repeatedly with their nasty comments. They are the ones who initiate those types of comments when they are unable to refute the truth that we present using scripture and they become frustrated about it.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Why does your doctrine require connecting so many dots? The truth is not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be. What is hard to understand about the following.... Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Nothing you have presented even comes close to supporting the idea of Jesus coming from heaven with the rapture occurring prior to a 7 year tribulation. You have no clear, straightforward scriptures you can use to support your view. Meanwhile, Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 are quite clear...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    It's true. Pretribbers typically fail to directly address challenges and arguments made against their theory and that's exactly the kind of thing we're seeing in relation to this topic in this thread as well. No need to apologize for telling the truth.