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Well, I'm most certainly a Calvinist through and through (I think he was right), but none of these characterizations fit at all the way Calvinists view God and His character. Alas, they're just gross misperceptions and mischaracterizations. LOL! :) There is no "game." But, with Paul, we...

Okay, now this is probably going to sound at least somewhat cold, but, I guess God could have come up with another way, but He did what He did; this is how He chose to do it. We may see it as horrific, or monstrous, or something like that, but it's not. See above, and especially Isaiah 55:8-9...

I completely understand that position, but, well, obviously. think quite the opposite. Well, volumes have been written on this... :) But in short, I would say three things: 1. Regarding Himself, this is what His justice, which like everything else about Him is perfect, demands, and He cannot...

His own glory. This is why He does everything He does. Paul spells it out there in Romans 9, "in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy..." Now, what He does for His own glory certainly benefits His elect; as Paul says in Romans 8, "...for those who love God all...

Paul's (God's, because He, by His Spirit, breathed Paul's words into him) context in Romans 8-9 and Ephesians 1-2 is clearly not that. He clearly speaks of both sides of the coin, especially in Romans 9, cited above. His elect. Right. But Paul does talk about, in Romans 9, those created for...

"For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified." (Romans...

Oh boy. :) Grace and peace to you.

You can go back and check for yourself, GG, but what I said was, "(Rudometkin and I) are on the same side regarding John Calvin," and later in that same post (336) that, "I wholeheartedly agree with Calvin's statement quoted (by Rudometkin) above. And in post 340, I said the same thing, that...

I think you're referring to what Jesus said in Matthew 7 and 24. As I said, we agree on what He said, of course, but you're not recognizing the fact that those who do persevere to the end are the ones whom God has given His Spirit and enabled to persevere to the end, by His power; by God’s...

No, it's not. Well, they know ~ or should know, if they don't ~ that nothing can separate them from the love of God in Christ Jesus their Lord (Romans 8:39). Absolutely, but we work and will for God's good pleasure BECAUSE of God's working in us. This is exactly what Paul says in Philippians...

Well, yes, but only in the sense that what He did was sufficient to accomplish the salvation of all. And with regard to salvation itself, we are saved in that our salvation, which is a work of God (by the will of the Father and the work of the Holy Spirit because of the sacrifice of the Son on...

Give it up, JF1. We passed the point long ago where we're just feeding the monster. The funny thing is, "OSAS" is not really who Robert says they are at all. His characterizations of who they are and what they believe, and therefore his His whole diatribe and ranting and raving, is horribly...

Okay, think what you want. I have no problem with that. Or Calvinism in general. :) And I'm in perfect accord with what John Calvin has said here. Grace and peace to you.

Both. One in three, three in one. Both. :) Grace and peace!

Thank you for your thoughts. I assure you that we are on the same side regarding John Calvin. :) I will still maintain, however, that you're taking Calvin's statements at least a bit beyond their context. In any case, it's not so easy a thing for us, in our finite minds, to fully comprehend...

Ah, then how do you understand what David says in Psalm 139, GG? Namely: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Psalm 51:5) Augustine was right about this, and so was John Calvin, and so are all those that have come after. No, man sins (and is...

No, it sounds to me like at least in part that you are like the hyper-Calvinists. Grace and peace to you.

Nope. What you described is the general call of the Gospel to repent and believe. It goes to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike, an invitation to everyone without limit. All your Scripture citations are such. But God and God only calls His elect by His Holy Spirit, and these are the ones who...

No, Enoch, it doesn't. John Calvin taught ~ and all good Calvinists know ~ that the atonement is limited in one sense (that it was only effectual for God's elect), and unlimited in a different sense (that it was sufficient to accomplish the salvation of all). This is perfectly logical and...

Well that's the very reason that it does ~ absolutely ~ matter what passage is being referred to by John in chapter 3 of his gospel (and by Paul in Romans 10). God is His own arbiter. Agreed. Absolutely. All those Biblical passages are absolutely consistent... and not inconsistent as you...