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Yes I know all of that and agree Jesus before the first advent was also known as the son of man. I just don’t agree that these were the faithful before the cross but the faithful who were martyred between the time of the cross and the date that revelation was written. They were killed because...

Did you read post #51? I showed that John called Jesus the word of God, this very same John who wrote both his gospel and Revelation. Do you notice that your view is only assuming that their testimony wasn't about Jeus without any bases? John called Jesus the word of God and these souls are...

Well we need to look at when Revelation was written was it written 30 to 40 years before 70AD or just a few years before 70AD if it was written in the mid 60's of the first century? Remember that apostate Israel were the first to persecute the church and they were judged for it in 70AD. We...

Revelation 6 9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth...

Well how are you Dave? Of course I remember you and I could never hate you Lol even though you were frustrating at times I always respectEd you Now of course we are all responsible for Jesus death there is a difference in being responsible because of sin and actually rejecting Him and calling...

Because it was a question asked in the past by the saints killed by apostate Israel in the first century. The answer was to wait a little while when Israel was judged in 70AD

Yes I totally agree and that is my belief, even gentile Christians are spiritual Israel

Hi Randy how have you been? I wasn't assuming that at all I was saying only as a man, my point was that they didn't realize that the Messiah was also God

No verse in the bible shows Jesus reigning on the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years

Really? Yes OfCourse I do because it was a bad thing I am quite surprised that you dais this. They weren't calling on Jesus' blood to cover their sins they were calling for His death because they rejected Him as God and also God the Father Himself when they said that they had no king but...

Of course it was I’m not saying that it was wasn’t but God used their sin and rejection for a His purpose

Yes physically but even Israel themselves said let His death be on us and our children there’s no need to be technical here. Im sure you know well that it was Israel who rejected Jesus and set Him up. If you paid a hit man to kill somebody would you not be responsible for it?

I’m not quite sure what you are saying but there is a difference in ethic Israel and spiritual Israel

The reason that Jesus was rejected and killed by the Jews wasn’t because He claimed to be the messiah many Jews claimed to be the messiah until it was proven that they weren’t, it wasn’t blasphemy to claim to be the messiah. The reason Jesus was killed was because He claimed to be God as shown...

But was it Gods plan?

Really? Did Israel turn back to God? Has Israel had peace since they returned to the land? Were they given Jerusalem by God in 1948? Do you know that Israel persecuted Christians, shut down Christian churches and kicked Christians off of their land in 1948? Does that sound like Gods will...

The biggest sign that the end is near is the conforming church. All of the the faithful except Noah conformed to the world and that is why God destroyed the world by the flood thus it will be the same reason that God will destroy the world by fire.

Yes amen. There are no dates in the New testament because it doesn’t matter what matters is that the events happened Like Jesus birth, death and resurrection. But yes the bible gives us hints and to think that parts of the Bible were written after the temple was destroyed doesn’t make sense...

Nice post I never thought of it that way before but it makes perfect sense

Yes not a part of literal ethnic Israel but true Israel spiritual Israel the church made up of both Jew and gentile believers I just posted Paul telling gentile Christians that they are the children of the spiritual Jerusalem from above thus they are spiritual Israel