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Cross....you know me...I always go back to the beginning. Theologians always existed....it's not like someone woke up one morning and discovered some new verses that no one had ever noticed before. The rapture is a new teaching. I hope you read my two posts above about this. Nos 47 and 48. So...

Also in English RAPTURE can be mean ECSTACY. This is why translating anything is not easy. I speak 3 languages and know this... you speak at least two languages and you also must know this. I'm not sure what you mean about Jesus transcending time... of course Jesus transcends time...what does...

OK. Except that the resurrection is referring to humans. Angels already have the body that they will have forever. We humans do NOT have our glorified bodies yet. These bodies we have will die and become corrupt. The glorified bodies we receive AT THE RESURRECTION will never again become...

All good Cross. My understanding is that Jesus is coming back one time and not two times. The one time He is coming back will be to gather up EVERYONE.... those that are still living will be gathered in the air with Him and will receive their glorified bodies....(the saved of course).... those...

@soberxp The doctrine of the Rapture, in its specific dispensational premillennialist form, is a relatively recent development, emerging in the 1830s. Its modern formulation is widely attributed to John Nelson Darby and Margaret Macdonald in Scotland around this time, who described a secret...

There are two ideas in Christian theology. One is the RAPTURE. NOT every denomination believes in the rapture. In fact, in was never taught in the early church but came about as a teaching in the 1800's. Differing viewpoints exist about the exact time of the rapture and whether Christ's return...

Some on these Forums believe this. The Assembly of God denomination believes this. The CC does not. Many write about it. Personally, I don't believe in the rapture because it would mean that Jesus has to come back 2X. I think He's coming back only 1X...at then end of the age for the...

Very interesting!

Rapture is Jesus coming back to remove the saved from the earth so they won't have to go through the tribulation period. Resurrection is when Jesus comes back at the end of times and everyone that has ever lived is resurrected to their body... the glorified body. I don't know much about...

What came first the chicken or the egg?! I believe when God first created the universe.... Everything came into being all at once... not the line first or the curve first. He speaks and it happens. What do you think?

OK It's your post above... You said the verse is about Jesus' return to earth. That would be ONE. Then you speak of the rapture. That would be TWO. And I know for sure Jesus is coming back at the end of times. That would make THREE. Maybe what you could do is explain what you mean by the...

I think YOU said three Taken. Not sure and I don't know much about the end times. Let me go back and look again....

I did say that the brain IS part of the body. The brain has weight...it can be seen...it can be touched. The mind cannot. And yes. Pay attention to nature and all that we see both inside and outside... inside ourselves (the body) and outside ourselves (the universe).... everything looks like a...

Why is Jesus returning to earth? (your first sentence). IF I've understood you, Jesus is making 3 returns - according to you: Jesus return to earth (what I'm questioning) The rapture The resurrection

The brain is the body.... the mind is not part of the body... it cannot be touched. Science does not understand what the mind/consciousness is.

Hi SavedInHim I don't know much about eschatology... if you wouldn't mind... could you explain WHY that scripture is a death blow to a rapture. Personally, I don't find a rapture anywhere in the NT. (but I won't debate this).

Hi Cross I agree with @shepherdsword I don't find a rapture anywhere in scripture. But I'm not too well versed on this topic so I won't say too much. This is what I know: Jesus is coming back ONE TIME.

The soul and the body are not an event.

Carm.org And a Calvinist teacher? Are you serious? I don't listen to this nonsense by Matt Slick. And your teacher there uses search engines? How about using the church for your information? Do you have a church? Is it orthodox? Does it teach mainline Christianity? If it does NOT teach the...

I've written so much to you about this... and your ignorance TO THIS DAY is overwhelming. The Apostles were dead by 99AD Nice. So they spoke to no one? They lived their life and taught NO ONE about Jesus? THE APOSTLES AND THOSE THEY TAUGHT BELIEVED JESUS TO BE DIVINE. Do you know how to read...