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The seals have not been opened. The 70th week of Daniel has not begun. The pre tribulation has not happened. The wrath of God has not begun. No trumpets have been blown. I could go on and on. You never properly addressed Timtoflys point about the two witnesses and to my knowledge, you have not...

It does occur at Matthew 24. However, Jesus told us about end times in Matthew 24 and John told us about end times in Revelation. It would be wise to believe they should be in agreement. That would mean that the coming of Jesus where He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth...

What you are looking at in the 5th seal is not the Church as they already have their new bodies before the seals are opened. What you are looking at is those that are killed in the tribulation period, the 70th week of Daniel. They will get their new bodies with the coming of Jesus and the...

No, I did not. The tribulation is the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week of Daniel is the seals. The Church is gone before the seals are opened, so no I have not claimed there is no pre trib rapture. There is absolutely a pre 70th week rapture. It is only when the fullness of the Gentiles comes...

Sure I have. You are just having trouble accepting the fact that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, at the 7th trumpet, Jesus has returned and set up His kingdom. Armageddon is over and what you are looking at in Rev 13 and 14 occurs in the seals. You only...

Read this. Gen 7 7 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his...

He return to heaven after the gathering. That is why you see the great multitude before the throne in Rev 7. He went to clouds, sent His angels to gather the elect and returned to heaven. The great multitude in heaven is proof. How do you think they got to heaven, on a bus? Uhhh, no. The...

I missed the part where he remains in heaven. What verse are you getting that from? The gathering is from heaven and earth is before the wrath of God. The wrath of God begins IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days. 2 thes 2. 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord...

If everyone thought as you, no one would be preparing for the bridegroom. He is coming when you think not. The fig tree has two harvests. Gods feast days have two harvest feasts. He is coming more than once.

Exactly. Christ tells us EXACTLY when He is coming, and there is no secret rapture with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. He will be in clouds for all to see. If you are looking for the secret rapture you might realize that He is coming when you think not. Matthew24 42 Watch therefore: for...

Let me give you some credit. You are about the one I have seen that realizes that Jesus returns at the 6th seal. But the rest of what you are saying is wrong. Revelation is written like this: Rev 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 are written and read in order. However the 1st part of Rev 7, the sealing of...

Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. Jesus has returned, Armageddon is over, Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and the dead are judged. Why do you keep avoiding this question? What is this coming of Jesus at Rev 14. So many things...

No. Was a cross between trouble and class clown and followed sibling that was teachers pet and brilliant. LOL.I was an experience for them We are experiencing tribulation but we will not be here for the great tribulation....That happens during the 70th week of Daniel. Luke 21 36 Watch ye...

Don't you think it would be wise to quote the person you are talking about and not making your unquoted post after someone you are not talking about? LOL. It puzzles me how you could not believe in a rapture. Don't you realize that He is coming for His bride?

Yeah, I'm with you. There are lots of people that don't believe that Jesus is going to come in an hour that they think not. They are also not watching and are not ready so they can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass and STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN. The time is short.

Mmmm. So what don't you believe.....a pretribulation rapture? Do you think the Church has replaced Israel? Do you think God is not going to keep His promise to His Chosen. Do you not understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and has nothing to do with the Church? And...

I know that the wrath of God is OVER at the 7 trumpet, when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. What you see in the vials is just a different view of what happens in the trumpets. In other words its a different vision of the same timeframe.

The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. The wrath of begins after the 7th seal is opened. What are you talking about? The only thing I'm sure of here is that you don't know. The tribulation is OVER BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. The rapture of the Church does happen before the seals are...

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. That's why there are 24 elders around the throne with their rewards. Rev 4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads...

No. Jesus was talking about escaping ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass. All theses things are what happens in the 70th week of Daniel. This is the tribulation period. Escaping the two coming false Christs, wars and rumors of wars, famines and pestilence. Escaping and standing before the...