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What point am I missing Waiting?? I brought up the angel. YOU said Joseph knew Mary before Jesus was born.... The NT states he did not. Perhaps you just don't believe any of the NT?

Waiting,,,it plainly states that Joseph took her as his wife. Boaz took Ruth as his wife. Perhaps you're getting TOOK conflated with KNEW?

I've studied with 3 different denominations. I had to study a lot on my own because I'm not one to just blindly accept what I'm taught. The words to the Nicene Creed (one of a few) do not conflict in any way with scripture. IF it did...it would not have been ratified by the early church. It is...

I gave you a laugh LoveYeshua because the CC absolutely teaches that the bread is the body and the wine is the blood. This is called transubstantiation. It happens at the consecration of the host. In nature we have form and we have substance. The substance always remains the same but the form...

yes. BF. To different USAGE and PURPOSE. Been stating this for years now. NOT for individual persons. Predestination is in the bible. But the predestination is always for METHOD or PURPOSE Eventually, you'll see this. But only the Holy Spirit can be of help here.... God wishes that all men...

Sure. But then? Joseph took Mary as his wife. Do you know what this means?? Mary could have been stoned to death if Joseph declared her as having committed adultery. Joseph ACCEPTED Mary as his wife and believed his dream. He believed that the baby was miraculously conceived. Matthew 1:24-25...

Yes. I've considered this. They came probably looking for more real food, bread and fish. But they left when Jesus said they must eat HIS flesh. OK I get your point.

Exactly my point....

This is very good. I'm happy to know that I'm very clear in my beliefs.

Rather BF.... You'll have to explain to God why you blasphemed Him throughout your Christian life. You'll have to explain to Him why you believe He is evil and causes sin and causes man to sin. You'll have to explain why Jesus portrayed Father as a loving and merciful and just God... but you...

I have often stated the same in regard to other teachings. Surely what has come about after 1,500AD that changes what the early church taught cannot be true. But I don't find that the ECFs were in 100% agreement on this. I don't claim to be 100% sure about everything... and I'm not the type to...

THAT THEY MAY BE ONE IN US. You know Behold... Like when Jesus taught that we should all be of ONE MIND. That we are ONE BODY. But let me assure you Behold... We are NOT one with God. Unless we are all little gods just like the Mormons. And even THEY are just LITTLE gods... I do think there is...

Agreed. Jesus was born in the first Century. Mary was His mother. God was his father. Who came over Mary? The Holy Spirit or Joseph? Luke 1:1-4 1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from...

You've articulated yourself very clearly. I believe the problem is that some changes have been proposed after the Reformation that were NEVER in the church before this.... and we've just accepted these teachings. Of course satan is at the base of this...and how he is glorified by some ! All the...

OK Yes. I think we should stop discussing this. A remembrance is different than doing something in the memory of someone or something. Lutherans believe in the Real Presence. Anabaptists also. More but I can't think which denominations right now.. oh and the Catholic Church. And some ECFs.

Actually EG.... Communion and Baptism apply AFTER one is born again. So they are NOT works of righteousness.

Peter didn't walk away because Jesus was teaching them about life, about salvation... Jesus had the life and He was passing it on. Jesus also told them John 6:53 OK I'll stop after this.

I don't understand ProDeo and this is important to me. This chapter is why, eventually after much study and pondering, I have come to the conclusion that Jesus meant His body,,,,His flesh...that we are somehow to consume HIM. Could you connect John 6:65 to John 6:44? If you don't have the...

I also asked the other poster. Why would Jesus have wanted the people to walk away??

why would Jesus want people to walk away??