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This is what YOU stated in post 383: Having been raised a Jw I have a TON more-- Reconcile the above and you will have your answer. :Hanging: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. :gd After all of that do I generally say Jesus is God. No, I generally...

What do you mean? What's your point? Is God also with YOU? Then what's the difference?

I think some make it difficult because they've studied church history and the early Christians believe in the body and the blood. This causes one to stop and reconsider and rethink everything. I'd post some statements, but I know it won't do any good and I'm tired tonight. If you care to see...

Oh wow. Yeah. So let's not do any good work because we might be doing it to get something in return. LIKE MAYBE OUR SALVATION? You already got. That's why salvation is a two way street. It's cooperating with God. A good work could be done in sin?? Could you give an example? Huh? So no...

Jesus WAS begotten. No one's fault if English speaking persons don't know what begotten means. It was understood when it was written very soon after Jesus ascension. Also, it took a long time before the Trinity was fully explained. It wasn't easy for the early Christians to understand Jesus...

No time PS95. If you're going to post to me, it has to be very clear. Maybe because I don't really like to discuss this. Don't know how I even got involved.

Couldn't just reply could you PS95? Because if you replied honesty, you'd have to stop being a JW. Why does God have to make sense to your finite mind? Do you think an ant understands YOU?? The WORD was God. Find out what LOGOS means. I'm not going to teach you... only the Holy Spirit can...

I remember way back when the JWs used to state that Jesus was an angel. And He might have been called such in Exodus in the burning bush. But, of course, they didn't mean that angel---which was God AND an angel. God, in 2 persons is all over the OT. Nowadays they claim Jesus is the Son of God...

Oh. Thanks. And you REALLY think I'm going to have a serious conversation with you? LOL Funny stuff Waiting.

Sure Hidden. Maybe you could post when you've had your morning coffee. coffee:

Do you speak any foreign languages? I don't think so. In a foreign language having no article is sometimes impossible. Even if it stated: IN THE BEGINNING WAS WORD AND WORD WAS GOD NOTHING would change. John is still teaching that this WORD that was in the beginning and WAS GOD became flesh...

I don't know what you mean by this MonoBiblical. I also don't care to discuss the Divinity of Jesus. IF a person wants to call himself CHRISTIAN then he must believe Jesus is God and he must believe in the trintiy. Otherwise the definition of Christian will not be correct. Jesus is the Word...

PS95 Just fell on this when I opened the Forum, I don't really like to discuss this topic. It is my firm belief that Christians should not be debating the Divinity of Jesus. The number one requirement for a person to be defined as Christian is that they are to believe that Jesus is God. JWs, for...

Justin Martyr? You want to go by the ECFs? OK Here are statements by Ignatius of Antioch circa 110AD taught by Peter and John Ignatius of Antioch “Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging...

So then YOU said that communion and baptism is a work?? How are they works if Jesus commanded that we do this? Again.... ONLY believers get to receive communion and be baptized. Non believers should not be doing either one. So does this mean that since every Catholic is baptized then every...

Did I misspeak? Not going to check. I meant that Jesus knew who would betray Him....Judas. The rest is plural...yes.

Why is spiritual food so difficult to receive? It seems to me that actually EATING/CHEWING the flesh of Jesus was the difficult teaching.

YOU made the statement as to communion and baptism. You stated they are a work and mentioned unbelievers. (not going back to check - you can if you care to). I said that ONLY believers can receive communion and be baptized. Not starting a debate on baptism here. Believers are told to receive...

But Jesus meant Judas...not the disciples.

I get your point. Now listen to mine.... The dicsiples that wandered away wanted physical food. Jesus offered them spiritual food. They said it was a difficult teaching and so they left. WHAT was a difficult teaching? That Jesus was like the manna of Moses' time? At the point that they said...