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Where you find His coming, there is a gathering and union with Christ. There is only one coming and catching away.

CYCLE 4 (received in heaven) The Church and its onslaught from the devil (Ch 12) including a parallel view of the beast’s (the world anti-Christ system – intra-advent) persecution of the elect (Ch 13) and the simultaneous joy of the redeemed (Ch 14) in heaven (Ch 12-14). Revelation 14:14-20...

There are not 2 comings of Jesus, as you claim, but one final future coming. There are several recaps in Revelation that cover the same last days intra-Advent era and that culminate with the one final future climactic return of Christ. The detail is the same. The only way you can deny the...

This is all fizz and bubble. The Scriptures speak for themselves. I do not need to change anything. If I quote the original it is simply for explanation or enlargement, not to disprove the actual text. Quote the Scriptures that forbid my position instead of all the continual false accusations...

They cannot quote or exegete God's Word. All they seem to have is the Pretrib soundbites they were taught. Move from there and they are completely clueless.

You do not have anything. That is why you cannot quote or exegete God's Word. You just list what your teachers told you supported this nonsense and you bought into it. Now you are left holding the baby, and have nothing of evidential worth to present. Does Jesus have 5 or 10 brides in your...

Can you start exegeting Scripture? Do you even know what that is. Why do you even bother when you have nothing but private opinions and convoluted language to bring to the table? God's people were rescued in total before the flood and all the wicked were destroyed. There is no allowance for...

II Thessalonians 2:1-8 says, “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming [Gr. parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Christ...

That is the same gathering. There only is one! Why do Pretribbers have a problem with quoting Scripture? Because to do so would negate their speculations.

More avoidance. Address the Scriptures. Discuss the Scriptures. It is time to admit you have been taught wrong.

It makes their heads spin as well. Read their posts. They cannot even articulate a basic argument. It is convoluted mumbo-jumbo. They are incapable of exegeting simple Scripture. I wonder why?

LOL. Not so. The Scriptures speak for themselves. Let us put your theology to the test. Let us examine your so-called "proof-texts" one by one. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 declares, “if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For...

I already addressed this in detail in 649 and repeated it for you in 758. You have already completely avoided both, as you do. That is how Pretribs engage. They prefer their own extra-biblical theories and forced types. Acts 1:10 demolishes the secret rapture, “while they (the disciples)...

This is ridilcuous. You must be running out of arguments. Again, no Scripture, no biblical arguments, or no exegesis. This is getting old. The game is won. Checkmate.

Again, this is all private opinion and human imagination. Scripture does not teach this or allow it. That is why none of you can disect or exegete a scriptural passage or present a biblical rebuttal. Read this thread. You have double vision. You have invented a third coming, which does not...

Lol ... and still you are unable to bring one single Scripture to the table to show these 2 raptures happening in the future. That is because they are not in God's Book. You know this, that is why you are incapable of showing us them in Scripture. They are only in your imagination. Until you...

When you understand apocalyptic symbolism you will understand Revelation. Until then you'll buy into the error that you have been taught.

Where are your 2 raptures in Scripture separated by a protracted tribulation period? Nowhere! It is a figment of your imagination. You cannot bring anything to the table to show that. Your teachers have deceived you, yet you blindly follow them. Even your Pretrib buddy admitted:

The Jews do not know their tribal roots today. The Church Is true Israel. Israel has lost its historic records since AD70. They will never find them. They've been burnt up. They're gone forever. This whole teaching you are advocating will never happen.

Don't even go there. You're scared to actually tell us how long your tribulation is. That is because you cannot tell. You are just winging it now. We have already demolished your 7-year tribulation myth that was taught by your teachers. Your doctrine is crumbling before your face.