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  1. Wrangler

    Argumentative

    I want to define terms. From here, conflict is more than just a disagreement. It is a situation in which one or both parties perceive a threat (whether or not the threat is real). From m-w.com Argument. a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point...
  2. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Agreed. Because there is no actual trinity verse in Scripture, they must rely on eisegesis; pretend this expression, still in use today to mean people are on the same page, is some kind of mystical reality.
  3. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I'm still waiting for trinitarians to take up the challenge in post #146. Where does Scripture say it is important to believe the Trinity?
  4. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Not an answer to my question. Colossians 1:16-17 New Living Translation 16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world...
  5. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    We are not taking about forms of heavenly beings, Elohim. We are talking about the Supreme Being named YHWH. You don't even know who God is, which Jesus said in John 17:1-3 is the way to eternal life. Very sad.
  6. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Eisegesis. Jesus is a man not a word.
  7. Wrangler

    But I don't own a cat! Humorous!

    Do we have a cat or does the cat have a human? LOL
  8. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes, father is a relationship. Look it up. A person is a father only in relationship to off spring. Don't confuse hyperbole with reality. What human name is above all human names? Jesus. However, God is above him. 1 COR 11:3 the head of Christ is God. Also notice the exception. Why is there...
  9. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Like us, God speaks words. There is nothing mystical about it. "The word" is merely a reference to the words God speaks. Are we saved by God or his words?
  10. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Well, "father" is a relationship not a name. His name is YHWH. See Ex 3:15 and Joel 2:27 I am Yahweh your God, and there is no other
  11. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. Verses 14 and 15 confirms Jesus is the prophet Moses told them about, where God's words would be put in the mouth of one of the people he choose. See v 45.
  12. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. I would say that words are attributes of a person. A word is no more a person than a hand, a will, a spirit to overcome, etc. Scripture says Jesus is the son of God, not the son of the word. God's words are no more another person than our words are another person. The POTUS's press secretary...
  13. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I was addressing the oneness claim. They cannot be one, while at the same time only one of them is God.
  14. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Again, no. It says the word was made flesh, not that God was made flesh. This fulfills Deuteronomy 18:15-18, which says nothing about God incarnate but rather that God will put his word into one of the people that he chooses.
  15. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Posting more translations does not strengthen your argument one little bit. It's not that any of these translations are wrong but anyone reading Jesus into John 1:1 is a fraud. It's simply not there. Let me ask you this, which I am sure I already have. If your take on John 1:1 is correct, why...
  16. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Eisegesis. Christ is most certainly not ‘the word’ and not one verse in all of Scripture makes this claim.
  17. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You are deliberately confusing generic types of life forms with a specific, Supreme Being, whose name is YHWH - not Jesus.
  18. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    An assertion contrary to Scripture.
  19. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Scripture tells us represent that Jesus is a man, human. Being a son, Jesus is a created Being.
  20. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You believe this is an accurate translation?