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I've talked to people who are afraid to go to a church lest they become like the zombies that these produce. And I mean zombies...with that dead look in their eyes from indoctrination and hypnotic suggestion. There is a reason for the popularity of zombies in the West. We ARE in a zombie...

Brainwashing ministries do this...use bible verses to convince you that the good verses apply to you. And you want SO much to believe them...that you allow them to do a number on you. But that's how people become religious...and deceived.

If you were writing a fictitious novel about the early church...I would say go for it. But we are talking about a real God with real people here. You are so wrapped up in a religious theory you can't see the truth. Such is the mind conditioning and hypnotic suggestions mill that operate in the...

But the modern church has turned that into the ego boost of getting yourself "saved."

I see people in real life...not in the bible. The only people I see in the bible are the people mentioned in the bible. Now I know that sounds way too realistic and non-religious...but that is how reality works. So then I don't need a verse to go along with stubbing my toe or talking to a...

I think many modern believers are trying to be the "saved" of the world rather than a light to the world. The self-centered gospel is easy and popular and hides a great lie.

We begin our walk by a salvation through grace...but that continued walk bears a spiritual fruit...if the grace is real...and if we are faithful. We will not be judged easier for the grace we have received...but harder. To whom much is given more is required. But many claim an imaginary grace...

And never justify yourself! :(:cool::eek::oops::rolleyes:o_O

Just imagine an early church member citing the OT to prove he was saved because of claiming a verse for himself! Back then they were called religious actors...charlatans. Yes, it was the Pharisees. They said they were disciples of Moses. But Jesus said...that Moses would reject them. And we see...

I see where you get your religious logic from...but that is NOT your true spiritual condition. You are pretending something is true by reading a book. If you read the bible you will see that nobody was pretending in the early church. I have a thread on dogmatic certainties. It's a pathological...

People are indoctrinated to believe any number of things....but that doesn't make it real or true. Who cares who thinks they are saved? So what? You can believe your head is a dishwasher...or that you are really a flying squirrel. There's a lot of that spirit going around these days like with...

It's easy to explain things away by holding onto the idea that you are always spirit filled...and everything has to point to that idea. But in my experience and from the bible a person who says they are always spirit filled says so from a doctrinal position with no evidence at all besides a...

Actually the statement fits your lopsided doctrine. You believe that God imputes righteousness to unrighteous people so that works or is consistent with your error that God is unable to judge righteously.

The new bottles are new hearts. A heart that is disposed to grace. The old heart was disposed to the law...but from an outward imposition. Grace brings the laws inwardly. This has nothing to do with being in the Spirit or not.

OK...here are some times whereby a person is cited in the bible in the NT with being filled with the Spirit...and both times they saw into heaven with supernatural sight. Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus...

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A hierarchy of spiritual maturity.

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OK I'll do it. Jesus likened the spiritual life to rivers of living water flowing out of the belly. So there is a flow of eternal life in the one who is filled with the Spirit. It is a miraculous provision with outstanding effects on the people all around. When the life of God is flowing out of...