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What I see that that the devil has a few tricks for unbelievers...but he has thousands of tricks for believers....and it works very well. It is his specialty. He loves church. So much so that all that most believers can see is the devil's trick towards unbelievers. They can't see just how deeply...

You are obviously very attached to an ideology that seems to promise you a good outcome. That is a common human way to get people onboard with a psychological positioning. It works in religion and politics....and consumerism. The devil knows his work. But here is the truth...most believers...

Hi VIJ! I think people judge me how THEY are, not as I am. So I can tell a person really has a hard time with themselves when they attack me for backing up the word! ;) I see myself as being trained in righteousness. I have walked in holiness in the past...but my lack of maturity of...

All dogmatic certainties. For help with this particular pathology...I started a thread called (of all things)...."dogmatic certainty" Bibles don't speak to people. And bible verses repeated over and over don't mean a connection to God or the truth. One needs to connect with God for anything in...

There's a lot of flying off the handle going on like that...trying to see someone in the worst possible way. Meanwhile the bible is always right...so these never question the bible and it's wordings. But if you say exactly the same thing...but without the verse quote...you get a hizzy fit. So...

Actually all the works of the flesh....wood hay and stubble will burn up leaving the doer of carnal works...poor and naked and wretched.

We see the first river listed as the path that leads to pure gold...like the Bema judgment where the highest reward is gold. (1 Cor. 3) After that it gets more mysterious... :)

A baby Christian is still in the honeymoon phase and God goes easy on us for the first few years. But just like the tree that needed to be dunged in order to bear fruit...we don't have forever to get with the program.

Ah! But the righteous are not claiming to be holy. They are humble. We set the judgment by our own claims. By our words we will be justified or condemned. So if you don't claim to be something you're not...no condemnation. Like the Pharisees who said they could see...so their sin remained.

Agreed. The righteous are honest, humble and respectful...without all the boasting and claiming to be more than they are. So the modern believers don't see that as important....they are programmed that way. But the righteous, as you say, are not without flaws and weaknesses. Only the holy are...

Like what? ;)

Exactly! We are those rocks. We are but dust. God has raised us up from nothing...and back to nothing we can go. The ones who realize this and fear...and learn humility...have a chance to remain in the house of God. Don't be fooled into thinking how special and precious you are...

Of course. But Christians are also grafted into Israel. We are NO BETTER than they...which is a huge hit to the pride of people who have been spoiled and catered to in the institutional religious franchise businesses. We are also of that one lump. We are ALL one flock. There is no difference in...

Of course not. You are overreacting here and overreaching with your display of outrage. You should understand the judgments of God. But the wilderness is there to teach us something that we would be wise to notice. God grades on a curve...according to what we have been given. Moses wasn't...

There are many instances in both testaments. Look up outer darkness....but there are other references....like being spit out or castaway, or rejected...etc. Rejected from God's house. Vessels of shame and dishonour. Even Yom Kippour...with the scape goat sent away into the wilderness.

Actually what you have learned in church. The churches are built like businesses...they don't want to upset you...so they downgrade the truth so that carnal people are not offended. THAT is what you have received in the guise of instruction up until now. But look at Jude... 11 Woe unto them...

God cast out His people from natural Israel. And we are not more special than they are. So you will have a hard time wrapping your head around the fact that God calls a lot of people...but only a few are deemed worthy of being actual saints. Out of the very SAME lump...God makes vessels of both...

Rev. 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. What is implied here is that we keep our garments clean...whiter than snow kind of thing. To have soiled your garment means you can't keep it. Who puts on...

Nothing that is presently hidden...the tense here is important. Judgment day doesn't last forever. On that day everything will be exposed. And God always does things with both a good AND a bad outcome. And that includes they who are under grace. Under the law there is just life and death. But...

It seems that unless Paul says it...it isn't true. So people should call themselves Paulians not Christians.