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That's the problem of trying to make a universal truth out of one verse...when so many other verses go against that. All this means is that the people Paul is speaking to either have walked in the Spirit or are walking in the Spirit. But this doesn't mean that someone who reads about that in his...

Again and again...no one is saved before the end. Otherwise what is the point of having a race? There are winners and losers in the salvation race. One must first finish the race or be disqualified. Then one is judged by what kind of works were done...whether of the Spirit and eternal...or by...

So what does the OP mean by Spirit-filled...and what does saved mean to the OP? I think the problem begins right there.

The forum allows for people...who have not thought through what they are trying to get across...but rather repeat an idea that has not been fully apprehended...and then try to teach that to others. This would not be permitted in any real life meeting. But it's a free country. :)

This makes sense to you perhaps? But rather than trying to say something FROM your understanding...just lay out what causes you to write such an incoherent statement. THEN we can be constructive. I find your reasoning so far off...that the radar no longer tracks... ;)

Nobody is saying the Holy Spirit comes and goes. But we are the ones who come and go. We enter into the Spirit...but only as God permits. We need to be in line with His Spirit.

When you talk as if you know something...you sink...fast. But when you question things...then it is possible for you to look at things you have not yet considered. So I'm not writing you off...just trying to filter through your misshapen theories.

But that's not the point. To be filled with the Spirit one needs to go where the Lord is selling/granting it. You need to also abide IN Christ...not just Christ in you. The Christ in you is about learning maturity. Going to God and being filled is about holiness and purity...NO sin.

Oh..I find that people who stand for one way of interpreting for one verse are very quiet when another they don't personally prefer uses the very same wordings...as can be seen...because of a lack of real honesty... But as to the meaning of what I posted. Saints and faithful brethren are two...

Theoretically you mean. I am not on the forums to listen to religious people that have no experience but are quick with armchair theories. ,

This is ridiculous and a parody of God's grace. I don't see anything in your posts that would suggest anything other than a religious bent based on theories.

Being attentive to the Spirit or being led by the Spirit are not the same as walking IN the Spirit. There are a great many distances possible to follow Jesus from.:)

As in "To the saints KAI faithful brethren? "

No one is saved before the end of their lives. Then comes judgment. So already you are speaking from a man-made religious indoctrination. And we will all be judged against what we have been given. So then you may be surprised on just what salvation actually means. salvation for some will not...

This is a classic case of a misreading of the bible leading to dogmatic errors and assumptions leading to wrong conclusions. They who say they are always spirit filled...say that because they never have....otherwise they would know what intimacy with God really is. They would know the...

Maybe they can turn it into condos. We are seeing that a lot. When a church becomes a building...it can be sold. The mind boggles at seeing the sign "church for sale". I would say that the church was already sold to Constantine a long time ago! o_O:rolleyes: I wonder if the members of that...

Heresy means to bring division. Identifying with a group can lead to tribalism. Tribalism is a very primitive and worldly way to protect oneself from harm by seeking safety in a group. We see that spirit in gangs and in politics. But this should never be a motivation of a believer in Christ.

I think that people like to feel proud of the accomplishments of others. There is a prevalent attitude that comes from a feeling of security based on belonging (in a human temporal way) to the 'right" organization. But come judgment day will God judge you by association...or by your own works...

People hold to things for different reasons. Some people grow up with certain beliefs...and for them that's all there is. But some people have put a lot more time and effort into thinking the ideas through...with God's help of course...to see what is actually being propagated...and over time...

I think Bbyrd (here we go speaking of someone that is present..but hey) is a good gauge for righteousness issues. But not holiness issues. People who have a hard time understanding the difference should just look at how he reacts to posts. If I post on righteousness issues...Bbyrd is right...