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Who so loved the world? I did not say it, Saint Paul said it. He didn’t say that you have to believe that Jesus raised himself. Romans 10:9 9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I don’t get your line of thinking. God said let’s = You’ve dug yourself such a hole, you cannot connect the dots.

@Ritajanice , Delving further into easiest way to destroy the absurdity of the trinity is from the POV of the Holy Spirit and his lack of equality comes from my study of God’s name and the general importance of names in the Bible. Things are done in someone’s name and a man is identified by the...

Wrong. Both violate the Law of Identity, 1 is not 3.

Well, maybe not the likes of you! Just kidding. Of course. Compare Moses at the burning bush to us. God told him to remove his sandals because he was on holy ground. There is nothing special about us or that ground. What made the ground holy and you divine is the association with the Creator.

Completely. I read a book that pointed out that the later there text, the earlier Jesus was deemed to be divine.

Yes! Trinitarians are schizophrenic on these important facts.

EXACTLY! Doctrines are from man. This explains why the trinity is not in Scripture.

Acquired from his baptism. The same as us.

Good. One thing, @Aunty Jane can testify that I don’t have a lot of time to do a lot of reading long posts.

Why do you think God’s Word got it wrong? If the Early Church Fathers got it right to invent the doctrine of the trinity and the trinity is not in God’s Word, the only conclusion is the 66 books of the Bible got it wrong, incomplete at best.

As I wrote in post #148, trinitarians have to ignore the reasons rejecting the trinity is important; first fruits. Language usage: What does first imply? A series of like to follow. If Jesus is not a man - and only a man - he is not the first fruit and his resurrection is not our proof of...

Not necessarily true. If God is telling @Ritajanice to go East and me to go West, we can both be hearing from God even though the messages are opposite. Regarding doctrine; again, my experience lines up perfectly with @Ritajanice in that I get no confirmation of the inherently contradictory...

Sure! Not everyone here may be interested in a deep dive into logic. Please start another thread.

= Not the trinity.

Thank you sister. GHts There is a quote from Galileo who says he does not feel obligated to believe in a God who gave us reason, intellect and expects us to forego its use. The trinity has to violate 4 pillars of understanding at every turn: Definition Logic Language Usage Explicit Scripture...

Who says? Just an invented limitation on God's will.

This is not a syllogism but a demonstration of circular reasoning; Your 1st premise is the conclusion, you are pretending to use logic to "support." And a syllogism does not have 3 premises. It has 2 premises and a deductive conclusion from those premises, e.g.,: P1. God cannot die. (Isaiah...

I noticed there are no trinitarian takers in post #148 for the importance of believing the trinity. They are so adamant that man-is-god, that they cannot tie the importance of this to anything in Scripture. They hyperventilate at their IDOL threatened but it goes nowhere Scripturally. BTW...

Again, going back to the absurdity of equality, the most powerful, demonstrable fact that Jesus is not God and not equal to God is that Jesus died. God did not. Think about it. How can you say these 2 persons are equal when one cannot change or die and one did? God does not have a "human...