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  1. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The absurdity of the claim that the 3 in 1 are equal is best seen from the POV of the Holy Spirit. Given that God gave Jesus ALL authority in heaven and Earth, that does not leave much authority for the Holy Spirit. LOL The easiest way to destroy the absurdity of the trinity is from the POV of...
  2. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Not at all. The trinity is not in the Bible. It's such a simple point, even a trinitarian can understand it. This is pathetic. Isaiah said these words. Does that make him God? You cannot get away from the fact that prophets, like Isaiah and Jesus speak the words of God. It does not make them...
  3. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Sad that trinitarians are so devoted to the IDOL, they cannot acknowledge ANY of the many valid points against it, e.g., there is only "God the Father" in Scripture and every epistle identifies this one God and only this one God, not "God the Son" and not "God the HS."
  4. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I did not say plural nouns are not part of the sentence. I am challenging you to interpret it without reading trinitarian doctrine into the text. It's easy if you try. Once one is open to speculating, one must be open to other speculations. Why speculation 1 but not 2 and 3? 2. Speaking to other...
  5. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    So funny how trinitarians reach for this kind of "support," relying on ignorant masses who misunderstood much of what Jesus said. A corollary to this is Jesus did not rebuke them AS IF he has that burden. Why don't you address the points I made in post #148?
  6. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I don’t understand what you are saying in terms of Scripture verses but the trinity is not in the Bible.
  7. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Unbelievable! Hebrews 1 affirms Jesus is not God for in verse 5 it states change in God will one day be the father and he will one day be his son. Profound. More profound is the man-is-god thesis does not prove a trinity. That trinitarians must resort to such tortured rationalizations to...
  8. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    This is one of my favorite absurd arguments. David, Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar were also worshipped. Does that make them God 6?
  9. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Huh? Without reading trinitarian doctrine into it. Can’t answer questions otherwise, eh?
  10. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Personification is common. Doesn’t make the ‘person’ God sent God.
  11. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes because it is not specified who he is talking to. Trinitarians are eager to presume and the reason being there is no verse that states their doctrine.
  12. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Great point! What the Bible doesn’t say is as profound as what it says. It does not say God the son or God the HS. It says there is only one God, the Father. ‘God the Father’ is stated in every epistle. Only an IDOLATOR could completely ignore what Scripture say over and over again and replace...
  13. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Why can’t you answer these questions without reading trinitarian doctrine into it?
  14. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Genesis 1:26 is ambiguous and not a command. Ex 20:3 is not ambiguous and is a command, God is explicitly singular (me) - and this is confirmed 1,000’s of times in Scripture. Why would you ignore 1,000’s of times God is explicitly referred to using singular pronouns in favor of doctrinally...
  15. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Try answering those questions without reading trinitarian doctrine into it. Genesis 1:4 New Living Translation 4 And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God is already defined in v4 as a singular being. So, you have to assume who God is talking to...
  16. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That would be consistent with the trinity.
  17. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Words have meaning. It would contradict Genesis that identifies God as a single being. To claim otherwise is to read into monotheist text. You are reading into the text who God is talking to.
  18. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Despite @Johann’s claim, this powerfully undermines the doctrine of the trinity. It’s absurd to assert text that claims 2 supports 3.
  19. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    From today’s devotional reading. Roman’s 5:8 (CEV) But God showed how much he loved us by having Christ die for us, even though we were sinful. Emerges the most powerful evidence that Jesus is not God; juxtaposition. It is ubiquitous. God is the subject of the sentence; Christ is the object...
  20. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    This goes back to post #148. If you can be Born Again without believing in the trinity, why is believing the trinity important? Given its complete absence in 66 books, it's so odd that trinitarians make it out to be the central message of the Bible.