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Oh and I agree...there are always religious spirits at work on every christian Site. Maybe some people are slow to discern religious spirit and muddle them up with the person themselves...( personality) but when the person themselves gives themselves over to these spirit ..then we see the...

The answer is yes for me. He was not a nice man. Yes he did what he did...but he only knew what he knew and did his part...I dare to say that he knew next to nothing about the Father heart of God. But, back then, in those hard and harsh times...I don't believe many of them did. All these...

Excellent post. And a good and gracious balance.

Haha! When you get into some of the other threads, you will find the men are not quite so nice :D Keep your armour on!! lol

Once again...you bring them to the centre...they are not the centre..never have been. If you have that thought line, then you must carry it further... What you are in fact implying is "they are of great importance" So..taking it further beings us to.. "Because of heaven or hell God created Adam...

If I had the wisdom of all you guys I could post too. :D But I can't, as I know nothing....but I can 'read along' which is what I am doing. All churches have a blind spot..I believe God designed it that way...so that we would all need each other...it's called ....A Body.

Oh Nancy, you have no idea. LOL This is tame for us..eh @GodsGrace a long time ago we would go at it hammer and tongs...and it did get quite heated and often angry and nasty. But I am sure Fran will say it was just me who got angry, but don't believe her. No, we know each other now..and we...

Good one. :) But the other thing I do is to quote them bit by bit. Which works easily if who you are quoting is a post or three at the most above. But if it's back on another pages , all bets are off for me. But a person can highlight a snippet and hit quote. Then INSERT it...and answer...

I see we have a new friend here. Bless you! . .

Well I doubt that day will ever come! But I am pretty sure I wouldn't bother even if I had the time..again..I am not interested in doctrines of others. I just write or speak from my heart, what I believe ...so no, I doubt I will ever "watch my language" ...in case someone misunderstand what I...

@GodsGrace The TULIP thing...read your definition of each letter... No, don't agree with them.

Oh sorry. I didn't realize that this thread was about Calvin. :D If that had been in the heading I would not have joined the thread. I don't enjoy discussing 'doctrines' of men. Hugs ...H

Yep...just like I used to LET / ALLOW my Kids to have their own CHOICE ad cross the road without looking. Hey, even play in the middle of the road. And..when I gave them the choice NOT TO go to school.!!!! Or when they got older..the choice NOT TO get a job..!! Hey, free to try out drugs...

NO!! As the scripture says...we are predestinated according to His foreknowledge. Why does that annoy or scare you? He is outside of time...He knows all... He just knows before we are even born..who have chosen Him 'in time'...because He is outside of time. Like He says to Jeremiah " I...

I believe that you and GodsGrace should get off you worries about Calvin, it is a rabbit hole. The scriptures say ( and already been quoted above. 28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom...

But he/she has been a bit edgy from day one...ie " Call me Doctor KAM. :rolleyes:

Okay, why is your default to 'see' Calvinism? :) Do you not 'see' predestination written clearly in The Book ? Forget Calvin. I agree with Philip. especially his last line.. God is a gentleman and will force Himself on no man. I can't see why he needs to waste time studying Calvinism!! I...

I can hardly believe that you are saying that! Why? Maybe you were scared into God by someone preaching hell to you. I remember the day...August 23 1964 when I suddenly saw the overwhelming amazing Love of the Father in sending His Beloved Son to die for me. No Heaven, no Hell...but...

I cannot believe that all those here who raise their arms in worship...do not expect to have to shoot to kill while doing their duty.

Good question! I will be "watching this space" for the answer. I bet they end up being one and the same in the Greek. We will see.