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I was fully expecting that you were going to echo those misunderstandings of these past millennia and call for more of the same, and that I might have to tell you that you too were mistaken. But you are not. Praise God! It is indeed true, baptism by water may foreshadow the cleansing power of...

You witness against yourself. I just confronted you in your error...and I quoted you as a second witness.

No, but rather that the waters below--meaning the fallen spirit of this world, brings death; and to be saved from this fallen world, we must enter into His prevision in which we are carried above the spirit of those who are consumed by it.

You are not considering the times. Paul lived and served on the cusp of the changes brought about by Christ, of Israel on the way out and the gentiles on the way in--those two folds that Christ must bring. He literally addressed both the dead and the living. Was he a Christian? He followed...

It says "no man" can pluck them from my Father's hand. --You are not reading it correctly...or even seeing what is written.

Yes--Once Saved, Always Saved, is indeed in the Bible: I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave* them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:28-29...

To provide you with the definition of what salvation means, is not me judging you--it's me helping you to understand. If you still don't understand, it doesn't change the meaning of the word. It is what it is. Saved doesn't mean "maybe" saved, it just means saved.

Since this is news to you--it is false. That is not salvation.

You are not being sensible. If salvation were not forever, He would have called it something else. The warnings are not for the saved already, but for those who have not yet come fully to the throne of God. Some are skeptical, reserved, and not fully committed to the idea, that "now is the day...

Oh, if certain only knew that whatever it is they believe is true--they would change! Likewise, for those who believe the earth is millions of years old--it is! Not because there is a bit of truth in it--but because, what does it matter to Him who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever."...

Your hateful daggers give you away.

What seems to be missing there--because I skimmed a lot of the rambling, is that is often the case...though it need not be. Since salvation is from God and of God and resides with God, what is missing in that most common drawn out struggle, is that with God there is no division of past...

This is the way out of darkness--that darkness that the world does not even acknowledge until it hits them over the head. You are on the right track. Great job!

--> Revelation 22:11

Nothing is void, but fulfilled... Are those not the words of Christ also? Is that too muddled for you? But you do not want to hear the truth. You say the word of God is inspired, but you mock the idea that He still inspires by the same Spirit as if He were dead; and you refuse to accept His...

I have manifested nothing--God has. But all you are doing is speaking against the spiritual nature of God and his plans for us. As long as this is your position and your defense...I will not entertain you further with those things that God has already done. Even though you spoke incorrectly of...

You, on the other hand...are not full, but leave out what suits you, that you should mock. Well, mock on--you can eat your lunch all by yourself.

As I said..it wasn't "self ruin." I was doing great. I was the level headed one, the one who stopped short of most things wrong. My choices were mostly inline with my conscience. Which is not to say I was perfect, not at all; and yes, there were things that I had to confess before God. But He...

Christ was the Last (of those to whom the promise was made).

Then you are off track--upside down. What the scriptures have been is a mere dim or limited view of all that is actually true in God, whom is spirit...and the continuation of being led into all truth is by the Spirit. How then will you not perish with these thoughts against seeking to know God...