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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Racial status never saved any man - OT or NT. It is stupid and unbiblical to think otherwise. You cannot even move yourself to agree with me that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The responsibility upon you is to show us how you're the Op is wrong. You prove the opposite. You've actually reinforced the whole thesis of the Op.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The dead in Christ live and reign with Christ since His defeat of sin and death because they share in the first resurrection. This is the first resurrection – to share in union and communion with Jesus Christ, so that the power of the second death has no hold of you. And if that's true, then...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I will present my response that corroborates my position. John is describing the current reality of believers already partaking in the first resurrection in Revelation 20:6. It says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I have presented the evidence. It speaks for itself. I agree with a second general resurrection at the end that involves two types of resurrection. We are just going to have to disagree on this.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You are missing the crucial point. The word poimaino shows us that Christ is going to divide at the end between the sheep and the goats like a shepherd. You avoid the key destructive detail contained in the Greek and Hebrew words that show the destruction of the nations. For example: The...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Provide the information, or apologize for lying again.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings? Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon? Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent? Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key? Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Amils rightly consider the intra-Advent period to be an indefinite period. This is last days period running through to the second coming. It is therefore proper to view Revelation 20 the same. The symbolic usage of numbers in Revelation reinforces that. The genre of Revelation and the symbolism...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I address all your questions but you duck all mine. Notwithstanding, Rev 20 starts at the one-and-only first resurrection of Christ. This chapter covers the dead in Christ reigning in Paradise in the intermediate state and shows the righteous on earth being surrounded at the end before the...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Premillennialist are constantly having to add onto Scripture by forcing it into passage after passage in the inspired text where it doesn't exist. That is why your doctrine so easily crumbles. That is it is so easily refuted. It enjoys zero corroboration.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You do not seem to be able to differentiate between the old covenant and the Old Testament written Scriptures. This explains why you are so confused on this matter. Your avoidance is getting out of control. The objective observer can see that for themselves. That is all Premils can do. I...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Congratulations once again inside stepping all the New Testament scriptures that forbid your theories. You then resort to forcing a meaning upon the Old Testament Scripture that suits your claims. You do not seem to realize that God redeems individuals, not ethnic groups. Salvation has always...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The old covenant is gone forever. We are now in the new covenant period. The promises, apparatus and ceremonial system of the old arrangement is completely fulfilled in Christ. There are no physical or ethnic land promises in the NT - none! The temporal rest that Israel was promised under the...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Irenaeus believed that Satan will be destroyed at the Second Advent! You have been careful to duck around this in your posts. Irenaeus lists the resurrection at the coming of Christ as the time when the curse is finally removed, incorruption is introduced and death and the devil are eliminated...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Ancient Chiliasts had a very rigid system of eschatological belief in 7000 literal rigid years of human history. After this, they believed the redeemed were into the new heaven and new earth. That may explain why “time” comes to an end right at the very completion of their future millennium and...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Papias, Irenaeus, and Tertullian were NOT Premil. they were Chiliast. These were 2 different animals. Ancient Chiliasm was mild compared to what we have with modern-day Premillennialism. In fact, the ancient Millennialist view holds more fundamentals in common with modern-day Amillenniliasm than...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You are fixated with the old covenant and are desperate to take us back to it. That will NEVER happen! Christ fulfilled the Abrahamic Covenant. We are now part of that "in Him." The redeemed Church of God is the historic continuation of believing Israel. They are the children of Abraham by...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No. You go further than that in your Zionism/Judaizing. You teach that Christ-rejecting Christ-hating Jews are God's chosen people. That is totally ridiculous and completely anti-biblical. You totally ignored my rebuttal because it shows how unscriptural your position is. I will repeat...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Maybe not to you, but it is to all Bible-believing truth-seekers.