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I know the above on my own.... besides which, the Naz. church did teach the possibility of perfection in this life...which is not possible and is incorrect teaching. Every church, it seems to me, has some teaching or other that is not right. "AN immediate and constant fruit of this faith...

Agreed except for the last sentence. The N.T. teaches that man has always had to possibility to choose God... Romans 1:19-20 from the beginning of time God revealed Himself to man so that man is without excuse. If God wants man to be without excuse, or proclaims man is without excuse---it...

OK,,,but if one goes into everlasting PUNISHMENT.... Why would the word EVERLASTING be there? Doesn't everlasting mean FOREVER? If a person just vanishes, soul, spirit and body... HOW are they in punishment FOREVER? Also,,,have you considered that the soul and the spirit could not die? Even...

LOL The VERY UNLIKELY event! I don't understand how anyone could agree with determinism. (I knew the above).

I agree with the above, except that I know that J Wesley believed the attainment of perfection was possible in this life. I attended a Nazarene church for about 10 years and this is what they taught. I understand that they have softened this stance somewhat and state what the above says...that...

This sounds right to me. This sounds slightly universalist, but it does state a condition: Belief in Christ... So, again, sounds good. Agreed. Agreed. I do believe that God does reveal Himself to all but some do not accept Him. The first part sounds like we could be perfect. The second...

It's not the same PJ. But, I don't think this should be debated.

I know it,,,you don't have to look for verses unless it's something new. What do you think of Matthew 25:46? I don't think you replied to this before.

How could it happen again if the cc is falling apart right now? And I don't understand what being given sovereignty over a small plot of land in Rome has to do with anything. In fact, I think it was the right thing to do....it's a shame ITALY is no longer sovereign. (but under the supervision...

Hey! You need to study some psychology! I don't think you understand what not loving oneself means....

A couple of comments are necessary. Jesus said to be as gentle as a dove, but as wise as a serpent. He never said we were supposed to be stupid and let ourselves be trampled upon. So if someone is "fighting you", and only YOU know what you mean or who you mean... then I'd say your right. But...

I really don't care to debate the above because I do respect the beliefs of the Catholic church. But have you ever stopped to consider the problem Mary's innosense creates with the idea of free will? If she was born without O.S......WHEN was the O.S. taken away? This is discussed by Catholic...

I can't imagine that women will ever be allowed to be priests, and if you want to know, I happen to agree. Perhaps allowing more men to become Deacons? Perhaps allowing Priests to be married? They would do this before allowing women priests. Priests have to be men, like in the O.T. and N.T...

Wow. This is very interesting A,,, but I need to go through every observation and I'll make my own.... Must leave the house soon...later.

Sounds like I'm Arminian...although I'll bet there's more to it than that...maybe... and I might not agree with all, but from what you posted...Arminian it is. I very much like how you explained about John:3:16-21. I can understand both, actually. As born, men do love the darkness more than the...

Agreed. I didn't mean that we should love ourselves in a vain and selfish way... we must LIKE ourselves and accept who we are...or no one else will. Hmmmm. You think everybody loves themselves? Some have no self-confidence...some have no self-respect..etc. not everybody loves themselves...

Not sure which of this is for me. I'll just comment. The Tree of Life was in the middle of the Garden of Eden...not hell...you're right of course. Jesus told the thief that very day he would be with Jesus in Paradise,,,if Jesus said it...it happened. Paradise was Abraham's Bossom...not heaven...

and wastes a lot of time.... it could be shut off on some devices...

Maybe I'm just tired. I hope to remember to answer to this later on.... must leave soon. Baptism can't be only a symbol.... Jesus didn't deal with symbols,,,did He?

Sounds logical... it just doesn't sound biblical. But I won't debate this.