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Evidence. o_O There is no "evidence" either way....the "evidence ' for, is a couple of flimsy scriptures....that "prove" nothing. You know that it is a new doctrine...based on some woman's vision. I find no snatching away patterns in the bible. I do find some moments of total rapturous...

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AMEN!! Well said.

I just checked...he died last October...goodness that was a blast from the past.1924-2016...a good old age, 93 Never could find what his Net Worth was!

Surely Jack Chick is not still alive...he must be ancient if he is!!! :eek: I remember those tracts in the 60's!!!!!!

Amen...a lovely picture of the believer dwelling in The Secret Place Of The Most High. :)

You are posting faster than I can read the thread...I just this moment finished the one above!! I agree the revelation of "being saved" is future, at the end...but not the fact of, that is now...why, because in the word He says so..over and over... It's time you started agreeing with God...

I have to disagree again ( fun isn't it lol ) UR is far from being built on logic. o_O But I do agree when you say " the scripture that we knowledge" There are some scripture I have put up high "on my shelf", because they don't sync with other scriptures... when I find a contradiction, I...

Can't agree there...because I don't think we are divine. ( you may be. :) ) I believe we are saved...but I'm not sure about this divine word...it sounds a bit mystic for me. No Christian can go around saying " I'm divine"..because we aren't ....and as you know, I am a dyed in the wool UR and...

I've only read the OP so will read the rest after I post here. ( then I don't cheat on someone's divine wisdom. :D) So, does that make us divine from rebirth? No I don't think so. And I am a bit "iffy" using the word divine. It's a bit too RCC for me. ( no offence to BOL ) Divine nature I...

Oh bummer....you do it then. :) PS, I just see she hit "like" on mine, so she must have read it...all's good. :)

Again...thanks....good one :)

Fran..I saw your questioned on this. Hope this helps. Matthew 4:10 Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him. Also sacrifice ( fear of the Lord) and worship... Gen 22 And he said, Take now thy son...

Thank you. Well I guess I am not a Calvinist then. :) I know this is not a predestination thread...but I do not believe at all the some are destined to be saved, and some not... If that is from Calvin then it's wrong. I see predestination differently than Calvin. I believe that when God...

Well said, good example... Totally agree ... And, we are not all the same...and it seems we could well each have a different motivation which 'got us saved'. I don't believe that God ever gives up in nudging us toward the kingdom. My own 'hook' as I have mentioned..was in believing what I...

Thanks Frank and inspiring post :) It took me a while to understand that man says 'we want peace in the world'..( which we all know wont happen until Jesus comes) Yet peace starts first in each of us..before we can even have open eyes to see peace beyond ourself. But, a life with out...

Very true. And...just look at this thread now. It doesn't take long before it becomes a 'who is right' thread just like all the others on the site. Anyway...thank you for starting it....at least it has kinda shown who understood the heart of what you were/are saying and who did/does not. :D

I loved that post...I thought it was great. I agree..I too have learned chucks of by heart. That's what our old Pastor told us to do 50+ years ago...so we did. Also learning chapter and verse on where to find things. :) ( these days not many people even carry a bible to church, and some...

Haha!! dream on brother... I have "known" him for about 15yrs now...I have never seen him clarify anything yet! :D Even his clarification leaves me with a headache! He just loves to ask question to which most have no real ( or sensible) answer. :) .........H

Stress, fear, and worry take a toll and people search for relief. Unfortunately the spirit of the age spills over into our Christian life and we become frantic in our effort to serve God as if we had to do something more 'to earn' His favour and approval to find peace, only to succeed in wearing...