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Look, I am not going to entertain your rambling on. But I will caution you that you have fallen into the same pattern and error of the religious Priests, Leaders, and Pharisees during Jesus' time. I am no more "putting the Bible against the Church", than Jesus put the Law and Commandments...

Certainly the Reformation has contributed to the woes of the times, but that would just be a symptom. The actual cause came by anti-Christ forces present during the first century AD.

Of course "create" is correct. But for understanding...if you or I "created" an "image" of something good we were doing overlaid with an image of an evil past; it would be a mess, just as the world is a mess. But also (bringing it down to our level), if we "created" it, it would not be real...

No...such an outlook would mean that Jesus' kingdom was of this world, but it is not. To understand properly, we must first understand that this world is not what it seems, but is a mere "created" "image" and a "manifestation" of what is true and real on high. Meaning, that what you have seen...

If you think it twisted, then I have conveyed your error precisely. Still grinding away. Can't help yourself I guess.

And you have invented me inventing a parable...which is a cool compliment, but proves nothing except that you don't have the capacity for simple reasoning on the level that Christ himself used. Otherwise...it sounds like you have an ax to grind. I do not.

Go figure.

I don't want to derail your discussion, but there is Christ's church, and then there is also the "I never knew you" would-be group who consider themselves to be His church and yet are not. Carry on.

Again you go extra biblical in error. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

That is the problem then. You "seems" to believe that Jesus meant that the secular world has its own actual domain. It does not.

No, not me.

Good. That many is still forgivable...but you are getting up there.

You're making this too easy. I can't get past the first couple of sentences before I have to stop and correct you. If my explanation was an "evasion", is was an evasion like Jesus did a hundred times with questions and parables. Thanks for the compliment! But, no, I wasn't adding anything...I...

And it seems to me that your choice aligns with Ceasar, in spite of God making it clear that he is the one who raises up leaders.

Not...and not correct either, but it is rather worldly and secular unbelief.

That's a big one (for you if not otherwise), so...okay: Yeah, sure, that is exactly the circumstances and how these times have been foretold to occur. But from the beginning of Christ building His church, even the other apostles would have been wrong to do what you are now doing. If they...

If I fill in the missing pieces in accordance with the whole word of God unto all truth, I am not speaking for myself. Thus, if you mock under those circumstances...you are not mocking me. You have no reason to be offended by me or consider it personal, this is how this was all foretold to occur...

Well...you are wrong on most of that. You seem to take what I say as a challenge or an attack. It's not. There is simply more to "all truth" than has been revealed in times past, but was promised by Christ. You have no reason to be offended. This is exactly how these time are suppose to unfold...

Apparently, you don't read so well. I did not say, "because I said so." I said, "it is [clearly] written" and revealed by "My Father who is in heaven."

That is true, and was foretold. Keep mocking.