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That is not true! You do not believe (as the early Chiliasts did) that He "will come with glory to take the saints to the enjoyment of everlasting life and of the heavenly promises, and to condemn the wicked to everlasting fire, after the resurrection of both these classes shall have happened...

Tertullian: Prescription against Heretics, Chapter 13: Now, with regard to this rule of faith— that we may from this point acknowledge what it is which we defend— it is, you must know, that which prescribes the belief that there is one only God, and that He is none other than the Creator of the...

That is frankly ridiculous. Those who are indoctrinated in Premil and unwilling to be open to what the Scripture teaches may think that. But most Amils on these boards are ex-Premils who recognized the error of the Premil position and its severe lack of corroboration. It also contradicts...

It is actually you that has avoided post after post, argument after argument and Scripture after Scripture on this thread. SJ has been very thorough in his posts.

So So, who populates your supposed future millennium?

I will wait-off till you actually address the many ECF quotes and sizeable response i made above that strongly rebuts your previous claims. To cherry-pick a couple of quotes in isolation and not even address what I pointing out in regard to it does not cut it. Contrary to what you claimed, i...

It is sad that you place the false teaching of Thomas Ice on a par with the inspired writings of Paul the Apostle. That explains a lot! Please address my detailed responses above that refute your claims.

For the record, Paul's words were/are Scripture.

This is spot on! Well put! You put the ball in the net! This is a notable sign of weakness when posters have to continually hide behind links and bias (and discredited) outside writers to interpret the facts about history and Scripture.

I refer you to the facts above.

Facts are stubborn things! You obviously have no rebuttal.

Exactly! I agree! There is a big difference between challenging the views (or the origin of the views) of someone and attacking their character.

Tertullian then employs 1 Corinthians 15 to support his thesis: It is the transformation these shall undergo which he explains to the Corinthians, when he writes: “We shall all indeed rise again (though we shall not all undergo the transformation) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the...

The early Chiliasts did not believe mortals (in general) and the wicked (in particular) survive the return of Christ and populate a future millennium. Only the resurrected redeemed inherited a future millennium. What is more, they had to be glorified to inherit a new glorified earth. This was...

Ok. So you now accept that the second coming is the consummation. Great! That is what we Amils have argued for years, and which you have challenged. You now believe Satan was bound at the First Advent. Great! That is what we Amils have argued for years, and which you have challenged.

Irenaeus: It is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behoves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment...

Your thesis is mistaken. The early Chiliasts were fully aware of "the character of the Millennium." They foreseen a perfect incorrupt age to come that was free of sin and sinners, hatred and rebellion, crying and dying, hospitals and funerals, war and terror, Satan and his minions. You need to...

Ok then. I get it. You have nothing. Your claims all seem to be based on silence. If you had something you would doubtless present it.

That is totally wrong. You are forcing your opinions upon the ECFs once again. The opposite is actually the truth. This is why the reader should test everything you claim. It is opinion, and faulty opinion at that. The consummation was viewed by the early Chiliasts as the coming of the Lord...

The Bible depicts the character of the kingdom that will be ushered in at Christ’s return to be eternally liberated from the curse (including sin, sickness, death, decay, corruption and all wickedness). It will be a perfect environment wherein dwells no vestige of the fall. The coming of the...