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Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that "believed that there will be a rebellion of humanity towards the end of the Millennial Age, just as John indicated"?

Ancient Chiliasm was mild compared to what we have with modern-day Premillennialism. In fact, the ancient Millennialist view holds more fundamentals in common with modern-day Amillenniliasm than Premillennialism. Whilst Chiliasts believed there would be a literal thousand years of time following...

I have been down this road with you before. You are (once again) doing to the ECFs what you do to Scripture: imposing your opinions on them. You make the sweeping claims yet are slow to support these with actual hard quotes. You have absolutely nothing until 240 AD supporting modern-day Premil...

All Christians should be pre-wrath. When Jesus comes it is the end. We are rescued all the wicked are destroyed.

What are you trying to prove? This is talking about eating customs. You are taking this innocuous passage in 1 Corinthians 10:32, which is simply speaking of eating and drinking onto idols, and build a whole elaborate eschatological theology around it. You do this to support your belief that...

Are you midtrib or prewrath?

Are you Pretrib? Do you believe God has got 2 peoples today?

Show me that in Rev 20.

I said I believe in 2, the OT and the NT. Please read my post again.

I strongly disagree with Dispensationalism. I believe in the OT and NT dispensations. The OT was primarily focused on the nation (singular) of Israel, whereas under the NT the Gospel is primarily focused on the nations (plural). Now ill you please address my rebuttal?

According to the book of Revelation, when is the new heaven and new earth introduced, before or after the millennium?

You are misrepresenting the position of Justin and the Ancient Chiliasts on this issue. They and modern Amils believe[d] that Satan's kingdom has been defeated. They believe Christ is currently reigning over His enemies now. They believe that Jesus is coming to totally destroy them at His...

Thanks for actually addressing the historic issues and desisting from ad-hominem. If is is a sign of things to come, I will re-engage. I will not be getting into a mud-slinging match. Justin Martyr, above, is not speaking about Israel becoming a theocracy as you claim. He is arguing the classic...

Op Note Ancient Chiliiasts, like modern Amils and Postmils, saw the redeemed Church as true Israel. There was nothing in the early Chiliasts writings that taught God had two peoples, elevated Israel or saw the restoration in any way of the old covenant apparatus. Both ancient Amils and ancient...

Paul shows throughout his teaching that there are two groups within Israel: one faithful and true, the other unfaithful and merely professing. One is known as “the election” (or “the elect”) and the other as the “blinded” or ‘hardened ones’. One is a friend of God, the other is an enemy of His...

I am done talking to you with your antagonistic and accusatory approah. What is more, you have nothing of evidencial worth to bring to the table. The facts can be seen throughout this thread. You are clearly here to derail and insult. I am not prepared to get into the gutter with you. God...

You cannot destroy me. Who do you think you are? I look upon all posters here as equals. That is not the issue, or ever has been. The objective onlooker will know that. My issue is your habitual lack of addressing the historic evidence with hard quotes. Like many, I do not care for Ice. I have...

No you are not. You are constantly attacking me. As I have said, I am not going to debate with Thomas Ice, unless you bring him here. He cannot respond to my rebuttals. His writings are theologically and historically questionable. You hide behind him, because you have no hard ancient historic...

Your crude and insulting rhetoric leaves a lot to be desired! We could all present websites that support our position, but that shows a severe weakness of the position being advocated. It also shows the person doing so is bereft of solid arguments and is not confident in his own position or...

You come across as a very bitter and frustrated individual. Please stop your ad-hominem and address the historic issues.