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Yes, Which is why I do not believe God saved these people. and they later lost salvation. God knows their heart

well the tribulation will be on the world. not just in jerusalem. and will be so severe all flesh is in danger of being killed or wiped out causing God to return. so it could not have been in the past. show me anything that denys this idea.. I think stumpmaster did this quite well.

I am with you to here. But my point still stands about calvinism. first. Paul was quoting Malichi 1: 2. He was literally talking about Israel and edom (The nations which were bore out of Jacob and Esau) even in verse 4. God calls him Edom, Not esau. second, God tells us to love our parents,l...

lol Yet the very text seperates them we have the 1st 69 weeks then messiah is cut off. then the people of the prince who is to come destroy the city, the end of this desolation to be with a flood until war desolations. THEN we have a future prince confirm a covenant with many Just because...

And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; I do not see any other way to translate it. He shall...

its a part of the interpretors transliteriting the word (baptizo became baptize) and not translating it. if they did not transliterate it but translated it, we would not be having these arguments.

Actually this is false. If I believe, But am not water baptized. am I damned? According to you I am.. According to the word. I am not.. who do I trust?

Actually. Mark 16 should actually say what John 3 says, but it does not matter. 1. It is questionable it is even scripture 2. It does not say water baptism. it could mean spirit baptism. which would cause it to agree with John 3. But you want the bible to contradict. Have fun with that

Oh I agree Just as astounded at those who want to claim work that only God can do.. then say its from God..

Amen, Again, If water baptism is in context. Jesus would have said, For god so loved the world. that he gave his only son, thjat whoever believes and is water baptized will never perish,l but has eternal life. He who believes and is water baptized is not condemned, but he who is not water...

Its obvious you don't now we have a stalemate so can we now look at truth?

Actually yes he did That which is born of flesh is flesh. (Physical birth)

Good God man do you ever listen to what people say? Who said anything about a physical REBIRTH??

so God is going to force the great tribulation on people?? I think people understood it quote well.

Thats why I question. the issue is they think they are saved BEFORE they believe this basic truth.. how does that affect their salvation?

remember we work out our salvation that we have, not to earn it we fear and tremble because we are lights in the world.. the world looks to us as Gods children. God wants to use us to draw them to himself. if we do nto work out our salvation. we will not be lights, and God will not be able to...

I think in Jesus words. where he said he never knew you. He ment they never had a relationship. And in Johns words. that they were never of us (these are johns words) he meant they never truly belonged to the group we are in, the fellowship. the church, the body.. That they were impostors. make...

But if Jesus paid the price we could never pay we could never be worthy on our own to earn what He paid. Now I try my best to be worthy of the rewards I may recieve, and worthy of my calling (to bear fruit and to win spiritual victory over Gods enemies0 But to think I can ever be worthy to...

Its sad people believe God makes mistakes and saves people who will end up not being worthy because they sin to much or walk away.

Nope John said they were never of us. Keep trying, you may get it..