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lol, he added to his list. he now says people who lie and walk in darkness and do not practice the truth are saved :hmhehm

Well I never made such a statemement. So as usual. You make yourself look bad by continually point out things which are not true You have not proven anything, but you believe deceived people and people who call God a liar are saved, Then you yell at us.. who believe otherwise.

lol. Your stuck on one things he said (confess our sins) and not the rest of the passage. Then you say I have not proven something. They were never of us.. who is they? People who were with us (cl;aimed to be saved) then walked awa. and now are against christ. They did nto lose salvation...

Is this what the text says? It says the prince who is to come (the roman prince of the people who destroyed the city in 70 AD) would confirm a ccovenant with many for 1 week. In the middle of that week. he would put an abomination which causes desolation in the wing of the temple (most holy...

Which is what I said, Thank you if we look at it, the time period between when artexerxes gave Nehemiah the command to restore Jerusalem. And the time Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey is literally 69 weeks. He was killed the following week on the cross. No. Messiah the prince is the one...

same can be said of you this is a non responsive statement

I guess if you want to force your belief on a passage you can do this. But I do not believe people who are deceived or Call God a liar are saved.

How about John 1.. If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. and there is no truth in us (are these people saved without the truth) If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar - are these people saved? I doubt it.. if we say we have fellowship yet walk in darkness - Again, is this a...

You missed the whole point They were of us They left us They left to prove they were never of us. They now deny Christ (hence they are called antichrist - against-Christ) these people were not believers/saved then walked away and lost salvation. they never had it,.

I disagree with you. You do not understand it at all.. But thats beside the point.. It is not a valid argument to say someone is wrong with no proof.. that would go for both of us, so this is a silly argument

you can not have a rebirth unless you already had one birth. You got to be kidding me if you think the birth of the flesh (water) is not important. You would not be here if you were not born of the flesh (water)

If prophecy comes true because God forced it to come true. we have serious problems with God (If we do not we should) God is outside of time, he knows the future because he has seen it as if it has already happened..

this answers him how??

you have 2 births there.. Jesus said we must be born again (literally born a second time) he is explaining what this is. Jesus never mentioned baptism in the passage. You can;t force it into the text.

or maybe we do. and your denying it

again, I go with the flow of the passage. from the command to restore until messiah is 69 weeks Messiah was introduced on a donkey as the scripture prophesied Zechariah 9:9 “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just...

Yes, This is done as an act of God the moment we trust him. No water is involved.. I was baptized INTO CHRIST, Not into water. Yes, because we repented. and received the gift of the spirit. On the basis of this gift, and our remission of sin, we are baptized in water..

please note. I had to delete some of your verses to get this below 10000 words.. Thank you for responding and this discussion. I look forward to your response Or are these warnings given to those who have not been saved yet? Does God contradict himself? I have yet to find one. Ah, but here...

agree 100% How? I do not agree here, in fact it is impossible But he is not Christ, and sacrifice and burnt offering ceases BECAUSE of the abomination of desolation. And the text clearly says Christ was "cut off" at the end of the 69th week. not in the middle of the 70th week. Well we know it...

ok lets look at this. I agree the guarantee is only for the real believer. Not the make believers (those who claim to be of faith but are decieved) Or could it be said Gods promise are only to those who truly believe, for they WILL remain.. when you write it as you did, you make it appear...