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We won't know for sure till we get to the big forum in the sky.

Wha? What do you mean? Your salvation would still depend on your relationship with God. The only thing that would change is that we'd all agree on what 1 Corinthians 3:15 means...because it wouldn't be up to each one of us INDIVIDUALLY to figure out what it means. Don't you believe in ABSOLUTE...

Which of God's word was to be fulfilled by hardening Pharaoh's heart? See highlighted by me above.

I agree. I also like the Moral Influence theory...although it's a bit "mild" for what happened to Jesus...but it's still good for humanity's sake.

I don't know about this since I live here. However, the new Bishop down in the city and in charge of this whole area has told the priests that he wants to try "something new" in 2020 because the church is losing all the young adults. They either really don't know what he's going to do,,or...

Enoch.... Have you been to Mass lately? Have you been to a Catholic bible study? Most catholics don't even know what you're talking about if you mention doctrine. They're told that doctrine can't change...well surprise...it has. But believe what you will... I'm not here to explain the CC to...

Were Adam and Eve without sin? Did something happen to cause them to sin? Did God determine from the beginning that there would be a solution to this problem? What was the problem? What was the solution? Are there different facets to that solution? Are we slaves to satan before being born again...

Well, I'll say this. They believe it to be much more than we protestants believe it to be. And they do NOT believe baptism saves everyone that gets baptized. To Catholics baptism is a real happening and not just an indication of some interior change. They believe it CAUSES a change...it's...

I get your point BL,,, But what I told you is what I was told to teach. The Lutheran-Catholic justification we could discuss but it gets complicated.... I'm not even catholic anymore.

Agreed. What do you think of the Christus Victor theory? I think it's what you're posting above. These theories also go by different names... I'm using that link I had posted for the titles: 7 Theories of the Atonement Summarized - Stephen D Morrison

Partaking of the sacraments helps you to live a good life...they impart grace. Grace needed to walk by the spirit and not by the flesh. I don't know where you got that page that you posted... It sounds like something from the Council of Trent. You should show your source .... If you want to...

LIsten to me BL,,,, The CC teaches (today) that we are saved by grace through faith. You're just going to have to believe me on this. That church does hold baptism to be very important because of Mr. Augustine...but he is being a bit rejected these days by some...but some still think he's the...

I agree with you that God owes nothing to satan. I wouldn't call it theological nonsense however....that belief IS BASED on concepts found in scripture. Satan "kidnapped" mankind in the Garden. Jesus bought man back. This is the ransom theory....

E, We've been through this before and I hate to repeat. For the benefit of those reading along: 1. What do YOU think baptism is? 2. The Catholic Church believes a person is saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8 just like we do. What happens is immediately after progressive...

What EXACTLY does begotten mean 101? Because it is NOT a method. BTW, JESUS was born. 2,000 years ago. The 2nd person of the Trinity was begotten. From the Nicene Creed: We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from...

Yes...what you've just stated is what I hear from my friends that are upset about the change. If it's ONLY a discipline, why have about 10 bishops from Germany (I believe) written to the current Pope asking him to CLARIFY the little asterisk down at the bottom of item no. 8 of Amoris Laetitia...

Perfection requires no further thought. What you've said is perfection. I just do need to say that satan had a lot to do with it because it's due to him that Jesus sacrificed Himself. Also, most theologians believe the debt was owed to satan...but I don't care for that either. How could God...

Misunderstanding.

Great post. It reminded me of when Jesus said we are to be perfect like our Father is perfect. Mathew 5:48 He meant it as a goal.... He meant to be mature....(if I remember)

Be nice to your brothers in Christ and read post no. 17