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Yes Aspen... There is salvation outside the CC. And CCC no. 1271 proves it: 1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are...

By jove... the way things are going.... I think you're right! About churches not left standing, I mean. (small c).

Hey Philip James So many love that quote in John. 1 John 2:19 to be precise. You should study up on that verse. John was very concerned about gnostics when he wrote that and he believed they had already invaded the church. Check it out.

Of course! God is everywhere.

I agree. I stay pretty calm. No use in getting all bent out of shape. But when I hear some tell me they saved NO MATTER WHAT,,,it does get me a bit upset. They are living under a false pretense and don't even know it. I also worry about those reading along. A person on another forum said he...

Of course God has wrath against sin. Did I say He didn't? I hope your last sentence is right, but I dont' think so.

Hi H, Have you been reading along? I wasn't talking about anyone on this forum.... If there's someone like that here.... I'LL TAKE CARE OF THEM!!

You mean that ME saying that some say they could live as they want and sin forever and still be saved....IS A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. (as a response to someone) ok Well, I THINK I understand now. Maybe I wasn't understanding because I don't use any of those tactics and I don't blow smoke because I...

Hi GH,,, We don't have so many of those persons here... If you want to get high blood pressure you could try a couple of other sites. One is DEDICATED to calvinists. I got banned because I'm not one...and I treat everyone nicely as long as they treat me nicely. We're pretty good here. Be happy.

BoL Do remarrieds receive communion now? Did they 10 years ago? Were they ALLOWED INTO A CHURCH before 1918? THE DOCTRINE HAS CHANGED. ACCEPT IT.

I agree. I hope I don't do this. At least not on a continuous basis....

I don't know what you mean.... We were speaking about persons that think they could live as they want and sin all they want and still be saved. I stated that I don't know of anyone on this forum..and above is your reply.

Agreed. Some book writers call this Cheap Grace or Easy Believism. OSAS is another name for it. I'm truly sorry for this because these persons are living under a false sense of security and the preachers that teach this are not doing them any good service. Revelation says that nothing unclean...

You didn't understand Marks... I AM SAYING that there are persons that say they could live as they want and still claim to be saved and they use grace as a cover. You reply to the above was: Hm. Go to that site I gave you and check it out. Your "Hm" will become "WOW". Trust me on this.

It's not worth it 101. Forget this. The only statement I'm making is that EVERYTHING is infected with the sin nature... man, nature, material things Everything.

If we're on the same wavelength... I can say that I believe in eternal security BUT NOT in OSAS.

You wrote a lot LC, but my reply is going to be very short because I agree with everything you've said. I even can agree about eternal security by the way that you describe it. I also believe we need to be secure in our salvation. The church I used to go to dedicated babies to God. I understand...

Yes, I understand what your saying and I agree. Argument has become a bad word. It just represents a point of view.

I think we're on the same page. I hear many weird ideas these days and language is becoming very important whereas in the past it wasn't (for me). The flesh, of water and of the spirit. What is the water in John 3 to you? I've always believed it to be the water of physical birth,,, but I'm not...

No one on THIS forum that I can think of. This does not mean they don't exist on other forums.