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  1. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I could give you names. There are quite a few on a forum called Christianchat.com Just go there and spend a week there...you'll readily know who they are. They'll tell you right out that they could sin and still be saved. They'll call you names and be the MOST UNCHRISTIAN people around and tell...
  2. GodsGrace

    BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

    I thought of Israel asking for a King right after I wrote to you. The freedom of the Israelites also is a good example. I didn't understand immediately what you were referring to. Thanks for the reply.
  3. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Here we are at the discussed post... There are MANY on these forums that state that GRACE allows one to live as they want and STILL be saved. Apparently you haven't run across them yet. But you will.
  4. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Yes...well..you realized something important.... It's not an empty accusation.
  5. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I'm sure he will. In the meantime you should reread his post and get ready for his reply. Thought I was doing you a favor... Guess not.
  6. GodsGrace

    Was Adam, Eve and Creation "Perfect" or "Very Good"?

    Why do you tell me I'm wrong and then agree with me? I find this disturbing. Is there some particular joy in telling persons they're wrong? From post 86 here's what you stated: he airplane was Made Perfect. then it was used for destruction. in that it was made perfect, it transported people...
  7. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    That's NOT what @Episkopos is saying. Read his post again.....
  8. GodsGrace

    You must be born again through water baptism

    ooops. I misspoke here. I didn't mean that we shouldn't discuss something that we're not sure about. I meant that we shouldn't be ADAMANT about something we're not sure about.
  9. GodsGrace

    You must be born again through water baptism

    No. Not all truths are true. One of them has to be wrong. We discuss so we could learn what others believe and maybe get some additional information from what we currently have. What could the balance of truth be with OSAS and OSNAS?? It doesn't exist. But if we discuss it,,,some light could...
  10. GodsGrace

    When is a christian NOT a Christian?

    Please stop telling me what I believe. I know what I believe....I don't know what YOU believe. So are you saying that Jesus became the Son at some point in His life and this was announced at the Transfiguration? But why what? Please speak in complete sentences. Ok. So you're saying that...
  11. GodsGrace

    You must be born again through water baptism

    You take stands many times H. There are some things we are sure about. If we're not sure about something...we shouldn't be disucssing it.
  12. GodsGrace

    BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

    Gee, you sound like a normal person. :)
  13. GodsGrace

    You must be born again through water baptism

    I distinguish between arguing and discussing. It's sometimes in these discussions that we could learn something new.
  14. GodsGrace

    BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

    I agree with all you've said, and very well I should add. You're really referring more to the Old Testament than the Mosaic Covenant (which is also called the Old Covenant)...but that matters not. Everything you've stated is spot on. I've highlighted two sentences in your reply. Could you...
  15. GodsGrace

    When is a christian NOT a Christian?

    I disagree with practically everything you've stated. This will have to wait till after dinner,,,about two hours or so. Would I love to know where people learn this stuff.
  16. GodsGrace

    When is a christian NOT a Christian?

    I'm going to agree but I also hear some "bells" going off. Some denominations believe that Jesus was not born the Son of God, but BECAME the Son of God at His baptism. I believe Jesus was the Son of God from the very beginning of His existence on earth. John had to baptize Jesus to fulfill all...
  17. GodsGrace

    BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

    Said like this, I can accept it.. but, of course, you realize that you take the condition away by your explanation. But, if it can work out this way...I agree. We must be IN CHRIST... end. And I would like to add that in the Mosaic Covenant we could not keep the Laws... But in the New Covenant...
  18. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    OK. But this is why I say that ONLY the bible does not lead us everywhere. There are at least 7 theories of the atonement. They are all biblical. They all have some part of the atonement in them. I can't think of one that has everything all together because they are all a little different from...
  19. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Are you aware that you're describing the Ransom Theory? This is a theory that states we are held in bondage and a ransom must be paid. Some theologians believe it is God that must be paid and some believe it is satan that must be paid. I don't care for the idea that God owes satan...
  20. GodsGrace

    The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    S, there's more than one atonement theory. I'm saying I don't care for the Penal Substitution Theory... There's not much to debate... If that's the one you like most...so be it. It does make God sound like those primitive people that would sacrifice persons and which the Hebrews did not. I...