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IOW, IF things DO change...God would still have had foreknowledge of them... I study with a Catholic friar together with about 12-15 other persons, once a month. He delves into things and has deep thoughts about everything. He keeps telling me I don't understand God's time. One day I plan to...

I agree. Did you happen to read my post 406? This type of chronology of events makes me believe God had A LOT to do with what transpired. OTOH, I am not calvinist in any sense and believe fully in free will.

Right. If this were not true,,,then we would not be responsible for our moral choices and we'd be dealing with a God that sends persons to hell because of what HE determined or predestined. This would not be a just God and we know that He is. Plenty of scripture...but I guess we all know the...

Good point. Determinism removes God working for the good... If God is STILL WORKING, then we have open theism.... thinks CAN change. Which makes sense because otherwise prayer would be useless. And I am not an arminian....I read what that is and I don't agree with all of it. What I prefer to...

What do you mean that you think this is anthropomorphic. You mean NOT anthropomorphic?

I agree it was her own free choice. But you say that God also foreknew the choice. So how did it come about that John the B. was born 6 mos prior to Jesus.... Judas was born at just the right time. Jesus was born at just the right time. Could these all be coincidences?

I agree. This is also for @Enoch111 He knew Mary would be wiling... So God PREPARED Mary.... Just like He prepared Pharaoh? We then cannot complain and debate that Pharaoh was not hardened by God. (which I don't BTW). How did Judas just happen to come along at JUST THE RIGHT TIME? Did God...

All the theories of atonement cannot be gleened only from scripture.

Yes. Although I do look to the ECFs, we DO have more resources available to us today and many more manuscripts. (although nothing major has changed). The penal substitution theory makes God sound like a sacrifice god that is wrathful toward man-kind. There are so many other theories that...

Agreed. I DO believe that it would be a good idea to at least KNOW the doctrine of one's faith or denomination I should say. I left the CC and had to learn about the doctrine of THAT church and the one I went to. And I mean learn...not just what some THINK about it.

I don't blame you. It's the fault of the CC. It's trying to catch up but it waited a bit too long. Most catholics DO NOT know their doctrine.

Are you aware of the fact that Jesus is God? Are you aware of the fact that GOD existed BEFORE Jesus was born? Again,,,do you believe all men went to hell before Jesus was born? Have you studied Romans 1:19-20 yet? PLEASE DO. Here it is: Romans 1:19-20 19because that which is known about...

You see A, now, because it suits YOU, you do not take ALL and MEN literally. Do you think all men went to hell before Jesus? Have you read Romans 1:19-20? Could you explain it please---because I think you don't understand it. ALL MEN were drawn to Jesus means that ALL MEN were drawn to...

Is it cool? Does it ever get really hot? By really hot I mean over 35 degrees.

Are you REALLY posting Joshua to me? Incredible. Guess you don't read any of my posts. What would have happened IF Mary had said NO? THIS is the mystery, E. God's SOVEREIGNTY and Man's FREE WILL. How do the two work together? The Catholic theologians teach that Mary was born without original...

I watched it. I couldn't agree more with what he said. I learned way back in jr. High School that one can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. A person stops listening when he's insulted or demeaned. I find James White to be super intelligent and he properly represents other...

Believe me, that does not make you a catholic. Or you would not have posted such an incorrect doctrine of that church.

I can agree with your explanation. Our hope is for eternal life.... It is not that we have attained it now, for a thing hoped for is not received yet. I'm not going to argue this except to say this. 1. Jesus said in Luke 8:13 that the person was saved [FOR A WHILE],,,the BELIEF WAS TEMPORARY...

OK. I do know about this. Calvinism seems to be attracting many of the younger generation. I've thought about this and have a thought on it, but tomorrow. Good night.

1. By not using color you are NOT going off topic. 2. Have you realized that you're not getting many responses? It's due to your posting style. 3. I'm not Catholic...not that there's anything wrong with it. I love anyone who loves our Lord. But I happen to know Catholic doctrine and will...