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I think Augustine brought the question up. The church couldn't accept his ideas. The ECFs learned from the Apostles... why would they make such an important concept of Christianity the fact that we had to go into all the world and teach what Jesus taught and baptize -- Matthew 28:19... Why...

I'm sorry AD...you don't seem to get the point. I'm not saying the Early Church Fathers trump the bible. What I'm saying is that THEY put the N.T. together. You must know some early church history. WHO do you think gathered the N.T. epistles and decided which would be canon? Also, I brought up...

Please see post no. 33 There are no mysteries in the N.T.

1. God didn't predestine anybody to damnation. 2. How is anybody supposed to know they're damned....according to your theology? 3. You didn't post the scripture. 4. Anyone interested could read the following links which will explain everything. Romans Chapters 9-11 Study 1 Romans 9-11...

I didn't get an alert for this...almost missed it. So the ECFs are not reliable as man-made tradition fed the corruption? 1. What corruption? There was non with the ECFs...that's why I like to check out what they believed. They taught what the Apostles taught. 2. If the ECFs are not...

Hey F, We finally have the normal temperature here for this time of year. It's been just too hot, but now it's perfect!

Ooops. For anyone interested, this was my source: Were Any Early Church Fathers Calvinists?

Why do you have so much hate in you? Other Christians try to love one another. You have no need to love anyone... You're a VERY SPECIAL PERSON because God chose YOU to be saved. It's sick.

You found the ONLY person that believed in predestination... NOT DOUBLE PREDESTINATION. What I posted is correct and I GAVE THE SOURCE. Something YOU do not do. Hang on to Augustine really tight A,,,because NO ONE ELSE in the early church agreed with him.

AND HERE IS SOME INFO ON THE INFAMOUS AUGUSTINE...THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT FOLLOWED: (because the biggest Christian church in the world has determined that Augustine was NOT correct in some of his temporary beliefs) part 3 of 3 Calvinism: Absent Until Augustine Introduction...

PART TWO OF THREE Hippolytus, disciple of Irenaeus and Bishop of Portus 220-236 A.D. 5:152 "[Jesus] might exhibit His own manhood as an aim for all men. And that by Himself in person He might prove that God made nothing evil, and that man possesses the capacity of self-determination, inasmuch...

First of all the Early Church Fathers are those PRE 325 AD Augustine and his ideas came about much time after that. It's also interesting that Calvinists dislike Catholicism and yet take their own theology, SUPPOSEDLY, on what Augustine taught --- a Catholic! Here is what the real Early Church...

You believe, then, in conflicting scripture,,, and in the N.T. there is no conflict.

Very sweet of you. As are most calvinists,,,you're very unmerciful,,,just like your god is. BTW, I wrote to the owner there and stated my purpose and he said it would be OK to join. Guess he thought I'd be a flimsy type girl.... BTW, how come there are no women posters in calvinist threads...

1. Augustine is not an early church father... that would be those to about 325 AD.... 2. NO ONE else of the early church believed what Augustine believed. 3. Which part of Augustine's life is the above quote? The start of his Christianity, the middle of it, the end? You know, of course...

Yes. I knew you'd be happy. I must be a tough cookie... your pal over at Christforums BANNED me for speaking my mind. This is a great testimony for Calvinism.... Some just can't even have a decent conversation.

Here it is: GG said: Are you aware that the majority of Christianity agrees with my exegesis? You've told me before that might does not make right so you don't need to repeat it. see post 179

YOU posted the verse about private interpretation. I reposted it because I agree with it. I don't interpret any verse all on my own...I seek those that know. (or at least, have sought them)

Yes,,,it could get pretty ridiculous...to say the least. God does not speak against Himself. Jesus said a house divided will not stand...

Did you know that catholic priests MUST take two years of philosophy - and I think it's being changed to 3...not sure. Ditto for pastors. It's two different ways of coming to understand what we're doing here. I've never studied philosophy, but it does come up in discussing theology. Actually...