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I firmly believe that if theologians are not sure,,,we certainly won't be. @Marymog is going by scripture,,,but not everything is in scripture. However this lineage thing seems to be problematic and so I can't concern myself too much with it. I think a definitive answer does not even exist.

I agree. But then why did Jesus tell the disciples to wait in Jerusalem in Acts 1:8? He specifically said that they would have power when the Holy Spirit came to them...which happened in Acts 2:4

I agree with all except the filthy rags statement. I really tire of hearing that, as if God DOES NOT want us to do good deeds for Him. I also have to reply to your no.47....but must go now.

I'm sorry F,,,I have to say this. I'm afraid you don't understand what Paul is talking about when he mentions works. I had asked you what he meant in another post but you didn't answer it. The Jews, before Jesus, were trying to be saved bye THE LAW. The Law is the 613 rules the Jews had to live...

What do you make of this: Colossiand 1:21-23 21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engagedin evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23if indeed you...

Yes, right. Acts 10:34..... Peter said: The Jews are not the only people God wants. In every nation there are those that worship Him and do good deeds and are acceptable to Him. We have peace through Jesus, the awaited Messiah. OK. But think of all we know of Jesus today! So much more. Even...

I hate to have to post stuff that the bible is very clear about. Here are verses on having to do good works/deeds: I'm going to print many verses...there are even more: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Galatians 6:9-10 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time...

NO! I just made a statement.

I'm not explaining myself properly. Paul went into the desert for 3 years before confronting the Apostles and disciples. I'm only saying that no one really understood what happened with Jesus going to the cross. The revelation of it came about in time....I'd say about 10 years after Jesus'...

It's a foreshadowing of Jesus. The Apostles couldn't put everything together right away. Eventually they did,,,I'm not denying that.

No. Just wanted to clarify that just because many do something does not mean it's right. I don't believe there is anything immoral about getting ink, as you put it. UNLESS it represents a certain life-style that may not be the best.

Of course. We obey to the best of our ability. We won't always obey,,,but this should not be an excuse to NOT TRY. God has always demanded obedience. Some did not enter into the promised land because of disobedience.

Wow is a word of surprise. I'm surprised you had to ask what I meant. You're allowed to believe all is well and fine with the US. I don't believe it is.

Oh my. Here we go again... Did I say we are NOT saved by faith? What works do you think Romans 4:5 is talking about? Also, why does Jude say verses 24-25 AFTER he just got through saying that the believers should BE CAREFUL that they THEMSELVES are not pulled along into the sins of the...

Right. And that new creation begins to happen right away...it does not take baptism to change us. But it empowers us...something we need; both to witness and to live out of the world like Jesus would want. In Acts 1 Jesus said to wait in Jerusalem for the empowerment. They disciple waited and...

Wait a minute. But because something is widespread,,,does that make it be good?

Immediately after Jesus' death, the Apostles were at a loss and didn't really understand why this had to happen. It was a revelation that took some time... to tie the knots, so to speak. You're right about the rest.

He said in the 4 gospels. He's right. This idea of the cross bearing our sins came after the Ascension.

I agree. The more we read the bible, the more we'll understand it and the God it represents. I don't read anywhere that faith alone saves forever. Faith saves initially,,,then we're to keep ourselves saved by obeying God.