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Well, let me ask you this. I agree that we are saved by faith. But since Jesus said to get baptized,,, don't you think it's a good idea?

Good thread. Welcome to the forum. Yes, this subject is not new, but it's an important one because it could literally cause one to lose faith. My comment is that you've provided the perfect reason why the O.T. must be understood the way it was written. Not all of the O.T. is supposed to be...

The most talked about subject is works because there are a lot of lazy persons out there that think they just need to walk down an isle one time and they'll be saved forever more. This is not true. Jesus left us with many things to do. At least we should be honest and admit we just don't want...

Hmmm. No words from JESUS. Interesting. Did JESUS say we had to obey the commandments? Did JESUS say the law was abolished? Did JESUS say we need do nothing but just believe?

Is James authoritative? Is what JESUS said authoritative? Please show me somewhere in the N.T. where Jesus said to just believe in Him and we would be saved. As far as working not...Romans 4:5 What kind of work do you think Paul was speaking of?

Wow. You need to read it again! I said: WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED. It was on live TV....

Hi M, I checked with Professor Google. It seems that Mary was legally of David's line through marriage to Joseph. I believe you'll find the link interesting. It's very detailed. Make sure to read: Explanation for Divergence This explains that Luke gave Mary's geneology.. but it's all rather...

We all saw this and know what happened. Here in Italy (and in Europe in general) it was known to be a big conspiracy and that the president at that time (Bush Jr) arraned it so he could blame Iraq and then invade them. Because I agree with @Soverign Grace on the fact that our nation is going to...

No. You're not misunderstanding. As you will know, there are writings outside the bible that may differ for whatever reason. I can't get over the fact that I remember Mary was the descendant... Let me check google.. After dinner.

He never knew those that practice LAWLESSNESS. It's also sad that after 2,000 years we don't want to know what Jesus actually said or what He meant...which is quite clear in scripture. Jesus said to believe and be baptized. For some reason He said to do this. It must be done. If a person...

OK I don't need to read post 199. I have these comments to make: 1. We don't know why, but Jesus said we are to be baptized. Mathew 28:20 is sufficient for me. He told the Apostles to: TEACH what HE had taught them. Baptize in the name of the Father of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. In the...

I agree with your statement. It's not that God owed anything to satan. It's that He was buying us back from him. But, as I stated, I'm just not willing to debate this. There's a little bit of truth in EVERY atonement theory. It could have been paid to God...I just don't have a real opinion...

Sure. But some state it as if it's not necessary to even obey. I don't really argue much stuff....I think salvation economy is very important.

First of all NOBODY IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS. How many times does this need to be repeated. Apparently, to those that DO NOT UNDERSTANT JUSTIFICATION, it must be repeated many times. And, quite frankly, it seems to me that you trust Paul more than Jesus more than the written word...which you...

I haven't read this whole thread. I just want to say that maybe someone gets one thing or another wrong... that does not mean that everything he believes is wrong...only that one thing. Everything @Soverign Grace is posting is absolutely true. And the reason that everything will come to be is...

Do you know who the Early Church Fathers were? They learned from the Apostles, or from someone that was only one step away from the Apostle. If you don't truth THEM,,, WHO can you trust? And if you say "the bible"...well, just remember that it was THEY who put the bible together and decided on...

@Ezra This is how confession came along. A way had to be determined for the forgiveness of sins AFTER baptism. The early church believed one would no longer sin after salvation. Instead they still did. Thus confession began to erase the sins commited AFTER baptism.

The Early Church theologians, the first few hundred years,,, believed that baptism washes away sins. They believed it so much that some persons would not get baptized until they were old so that all their sins could be washed away. This is history and can be checked out by anyone. I'm not...

Tell you're friend: All evil needs to flourish.. Is for good to do nothing. Which is why we're here at this point... because we DID NOTHING back in the 60's... we believed people couldn't be so dumb as to accept some things. Well, those things have been accepted. (lgbt, abortion, persecution...

Baptism does wash away sins. Are you saying we can't be saved UNLESS we're baptized? Sorry, just saw this.