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i will stick with the word of God. And not human wisdom. You can listen to all those alternative understandings all you want.

Don’t let him pull your strings, He is trying to call you a calvinist..

As Nicodemus said, How can these things be (How can I be born again) John 3: 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness...

she did not say this. Why do you put words in her mouth?

Not baptized in water. If you think that is what baptism you just contradicted yourself.

It means in simple terms that we are separated from God. We are ‘dead” to him. Another term would be we are condemned. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is life.. These all speak of spiritual condemnation or death. remember what the word says, Although our bodies are dead...

Babylon did not fall Away. They were never a part. Nothing shall separate us from the love of God.. those are not my words. Those are THE words of God

its amazing a person who claims to be sinless. is fighting against the sabbath..lol

It says he will cleanse them from it it does not say they will stop sinning babes need to learn to grow. we are not born again into super mature perfect beings..

Actually, that is to people like you. Who think they have no sin.. You think your better than the gnostics. or the pharisees who also declaired the kept the law (had no sin)

Nothing can seperate us from the love of God Rev 14 is descriptive. not prescriptive,, If you want to get to God by following the law. You have to be perfect. Stumble in even the smallest part. Your guilty.

You don't get it.

The problem is I think we all think God speaks to us and we have the truth. So to use this as a reason people do not agree with you is nonsensical. and in my view kind of hypocritical.. What makes us think we are right?

Need I continue. 2 wrongs do not make a right. While some of these responses was to someone who were attacking you with silly nonsense. It does not give you the right to attack everyone else. because your upset yourself ie practice what you preach, don't be a hypocrite

Name does not ring a bell.. But I am sure you are right.. My short term memory is not what it once was..lol

was he a member here?

I think this has already been proven You don't care for much of anything, as long as we agree with you, all is well.

This does not mean what you say is spiritual. People use this as a go to verse when people do not agree with them. Your easy to understand.. And what you say is contrary to the word of God.

see what I mean You discuss things you even do not agree on..So we all can learn a debate forum is where you try to debate your truth.

I will pass. If after causing all of this tension in this thread. you now want to run and hide.. I will pass.